July 9, 1980

PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF DEPUTY PREMIER AND TREASURER FOR THE STATE OF VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA

LIB

Jeanne Sauvé (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Madam Speaker:

May 1 at this point draw the attention of the House to the presence in our gallery of the Honourable Lindsay Thompson, Deputy Premier and Treasurer for the State of Victoria, Australia.

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Subtopic:   PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF DEPUTY PREMIER AND TREASURER FOR THE STATE OF VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF DEPUTY PREMIER AND TREASURER FOR THE STATE OF VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
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CONSUMER AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS

NDP

Nelson Andrew Riis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Nelson A. Riis (Kamloops-Shuswap):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs. It is of vital importance to consumers and small businessmen across this country.

In light of the recent disclosure that the Hudson's Bay Company and Simpsons Limited are using their combined purchasing power to squeeze volume rebates from small manufacturers and suppliers, and because this practice represents a blatant display of monopoly power that could not only force many manufacturers out of business but also reduce the levels of competition in the marketplace, will the minister inform this House whether or not he will be introducing amendments to the combines legislation that will enable the government to successfully break up a combination like the Hudson's Bay-Sears marketing conglomerate?

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSUMER AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   AMENDMENTS TO LEGISLATION TO PREVENT COMBINES
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LIB

André Ouellet (Postmaster General; Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Andre Ouellet (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs and Postmaster General):

Madam Speaker, 1 would like to say two things to the hon. member in that connection. First, I will discuss the matter with the director of investigations and research to determine if the practice described by the hon. member is harmful and comes under the Combines Investigation Act. Second, as soon as possible in one of the next sessions of this Parliament I intend to introduce amendments to the legislation on competition in Canada so that it will have more teeth than the present legislation.

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Subtopic:   CONSUMER AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   AMENDMENTS TO LEGISLATION TO PREVENT COMBINES
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NDP

Nelson Andrew Riis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Riis:

Madam Speaker, I appreciate hearing the comments of the minister regarding the second phase of the competition policy, and I look forward to debating that. 1 would like to be a bit more specific, if I could. When the minister receives all the information and it becomes clear to the minister that the Hudson's Bay Company and Simpsons Limited have been pressuring their suppliers for rebates, what action will the minister take to deal specifically with this problem?

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Subtopic:   CONSUMER AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   AMENDMENTS TO LEGISLATION TO PREVENT COMBINES
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LIB

André Ouellet (Postmaster General; Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Ouellet:

Surely the hon. member will agree that the director of investigations has limited powers to act under the present legislation, especially as a result of a recent Supreme Court decision. Consequently it is premature for me to predict what the director of investigations might suggest after having examined that file.

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Subtopic:   CONSUMER AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   AMENDMENTS TO LEGISLATION TO PREVENT COMBINES
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EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES

PC

J. Michael Forrestall

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. M. Forrestall (Dartmouth-Halifax East):

Madam Speaker, I wonder if I might go back to the Prime Minister with regard to the pipeline question and ask him to turn his attention to Q & M and the dilemma which faces the maritime provinces in particular.

In Halifax, on January 25, the Prime Minister was quite explicit and clear in putting forward his party's position with respect to the sense of urgency that they attach to the pipeline east to Quebec and on into the maritime provinces. Recently I have been somewhat concerned, and I think we all are, knowing that unless a decision is made very quickly the chance of ever getting a pipeline into the maritimes is virtually zilch, zero, nothing.

Will the Prime Minister indicate whether he will use his good offices to cause, under the appropriate sections of the legislation, the reconvening of the National Energy Board on this particular application, so that a decision might be arrived at no later than next spring or summer as to whether, in fact, it will be possible?

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Subtopic:   EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Madam Speaker, I can assure the hon. member that the government still shares that sense of urgency. My understanding is that some difficulties were put forward by provincial governments of an environmental or financial nature. I will inquire into them.

It seems to me that the hon. member is making a very reasonable request when he suggests that kind of a deadline. It is certainly within the same understanding as my sense of

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urgency. I will undertake to ensure that when we have finished this set of negotiations, we will be in a position to announce our entire energy policy. 1 hope very much it will encompass the building of such a pipeline.

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Subtopic:   EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES
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PC

J. Michael Forrestall

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Forrestall:

Madam Speaker, 1 welcome the temperate intervention by the Prime Minister: it gives us some assurance. But, after all, he made the promise last January and it is now the middle of July.

My supplementary question is directed to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. The points raised by Premier Hatfield of New Brunswick, in particular, and to a lesser degree by Premier Buchanan of Nova Scotia, were in fact legitimate concerns for any province with respect to costing and some other matters.

Will the minister give some indication to those in the maritimes as to whether he favours the development down river from Quebec of a super, major oil port that would handle, for example, Arctic gas, Hibernian oil, imports from OPEC, and so on, or whether he subscribes to the view of the Prime Minister that the government still attaches some urgency to at least giving the maritimes an opportunity to join in the economic activity that is associated with, related to and flows from the activity of a major oil or gas pipeline, in this case a gas pipeline?

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Subtopic:   EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES
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LIB

Marc Lalonde (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Marc Lalonde (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):

Madam Speaker, I think I have already indicated to the hon. member, but I am very happy to repeat when speaking to the question he raises, that the first priority of this government obviously has to be a decision on whether there should be an extension of the gas pipeline to the maritime provinces. That is definitely our first priority.

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Subtopic:   EXTENSION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINE TO MARITIME PROVINCES
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OVERLAND OIL PIPELINE ROUTE IN B.C.-NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED STATES

PC

Pat Carney

Progressive Conservative

Miss Pat Carney (Vancouver Centre):

Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. Since the United States west coast refineries at the moment are in a surplus supply position, reducing the need for extended tanker traffic down the B.C. west coast, will the minister advise what progress he is making with the U.S. administration to ensure that the preferred Canadian overland pipeline route can proceed in the future?

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Subtopic:   OVERLAND OIL PIPELINE ROUTE IN B.C.-NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED STATES
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LIB

Marc Lalonde (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Marc Lalonde (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):

Madam Speaker, I took the opportunity at my last meeting with the Secretary of State for Energy of the United States to indicate quite clearly that the federal government still prefers the overland route in terms of the future oil pipeline. This has been the consistent view of this party. We lost no time in reiterating our view in this regard to the American authorities, even though they may have been confused for a certain period as to what the view of the federal

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government was at the time the hon. member's party was in office.

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Subtopic:   OVERLAND OIL PIPELINE ROUTE IN B.C.-NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED STATES
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PC

Pat Carney

Progressive Conservative

Miss Carney:

My supplementary is also directed to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. Since the government of British Columbia has indicated that it is not willing to proceed with the construction of the Alaska gas pipeline link through northeast B.C. until it reaches a financial agreement with the federal government on the financing of the social infrastructure, will the minister tell us what steps he is taking to ensure that these agreements will be in place in time for the Alaska gas pipeline to proceed?

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Subtopic:   OVERLAND OIL PIPELINE ROUTE IN B.C.-NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED STATES
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LIB

Marc Lalonde (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lalonde:

These discussions have been taking place over the last several years and they are continuing. This is a continuing issue and it has not been resolved as yet. As the hon. member knows, the whole question of the Alaska gas pipeline has many aspects. This is one of them, and the discussions will carry on.

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Subtopic:   OVERLAND OIL PIPELINE ROUTE IN B.C.-NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED STATES
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July 9, 1980