June 26, 1980

PC

Walter David Baker (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baker (Nepean-Carleton):

Another admission of ineffectiveness.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   ACID RAIN-POLLUTION FROM U S. SOURCES
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NATIONAL DEFENCE

PC

Donald W. Munro

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Donald W. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich):

Madam Speaker, the Minister of National Defence is undoubtedly aware of the advanced age of our 16 steam destroyers and, therefore, that their equipment is subject to unpredictable breakdowns and failures. Could the minister inform the House whether he is planning to announce the second phase of the upgrading program, Delex?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   NAVAL DESTROYERS-SECOND PHASE OF UPGRADING PROGRAM
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LIB

J. Gilles Lamontagne (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. J. Gilles Lamontagne (Minister of National Defence):

Madam Speaker, I am fully aware of the Delex program. The first phase is practically over and I believe we will try, depending on available resources, to launch the second phase as soon as possible. I agree with my colleague opposite that this program is of extreme urgency and we will do our utmost to complete it as quickly as possible.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   NAVAL DESTROYERS-SECOND PHASE OF UPGRADING PROGRAM
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PC

Donald W. Munro

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich):

I was wondering whether the minister would be able to tell us the cost of the second phase of the program, and what action he is taking to have his officials prepare for the day when the Delex program comes to an end in 1990 to replace the destroyers which are now being upgraded?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   NAVAL DESTROYERS-SECOND PHASE OF UPGRADING PROGRAM
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LIB

Maurice Lamontagne

Liberal

Mr. Lamontagne:

Madam Speaker, everyone knows full well that there is a program to replace the six frigates. As was recently mentioned, there is no undue delay in the implementation of this program. Obviously, as soon as the decision is made to replace these six frigates, we will have to consider the study which will be submitted to us at the end of this month on the possibility of building smaller ships, which incidentally was a suggestion made by the official opposition, and to try and continue upgrading our destroyer fleet.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Sub-subtopic:   NAVAL DESTROYERS-SECOND PHASE OF UPGRADING PROGRAM
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EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES

PC

Thomas Charles Cossitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Tom Cossitt (Leeds-Grenville):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of National Defence. The minister told the news media that he does not want to talk about a defence white paper because it bores him, and that we should read the speeches of the defence staff to know what is going on.

Considering there has been no defence white paper for ten years and defence costs are about $5 billion per year, does the minister not think it is time the people of Canada had the right to know the present equipment and morale status of our forces and the exact plans of the government for the future, especially in view of critical statements on these matters made by some of the very same persons on the defence staff he told us to listen to?

June 26, 1980

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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LIB

J. Gilles Lamontagne (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. J. Gilles Lamontagne (Minister of National Defence):

Madam Speaker, I hope that the series of questions that is being directed at me today does not undermine the excellent resolution which was taken unanimously by the House yesterday in recognition of the efficiency and the commitment of the armed forces, a resolution which 1 fully endorse, of course, and for which 1 thank all my colleagues.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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An hon. Member:

When will insults cease to be hurled at our armed forces?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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LIB

Maurice Lamontagne

Liberal

Mr. Lamontagne:

Madam Speaker, in reply to the hon. member's question, I must say that instead of wasting his time preparing endless questions as he does, he should attend the sittings of the Standing Committee on External Affairs and National Defence. At the committee's last sitting, I tabled a brief stating and explaining our past, present and future defence policy, which 1 think would have answered all his questions.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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PC

Thomas Charles Cossitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Cossitt:

Rather than answer that nonsense, may I ask this: the minister answered my question last week by saying that Major General McNichol was "inaccurate and misleading" when he stated that we were working in the 1980s with 1950 equipment, and the minister said that the matter was closed. Since then Major General McNichol confirmed his statements, showing the matter is not closed.

Will the minister tell the House what steps the government will take to increase manpower and update outmoded equipment, particularly such things as what is reportedly the world's oldest-living computer used by the air defence group at North Bay, radar equipment in certain places with outdated valves, irreplaceable in the western world and only available from behind the Iron Curtain? In general, will he tell us what he will do about the armed forces operating in a completely undermanned and sadly ill-equipped state?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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LIB

Maurice Lamontagne

Liberal

Mr. Lamontagne:

Madam Speaker, I find it rather difficult to answer this whole series of questions, but as I said, if the opposition would take the trouble to read my brief to the committee they would find that all the answers are also in that brief. They explain quite well the positive steps taken by this government to modernize the equipment and thereby boost morale in our armed forces and, in the final analysis, make them more efficient.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUIPMENT AND MORALE OF CANADIAN ARMED FORCES
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CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"

PC

Robert Lloyd Wenman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bob Wenman (Fraser Valley West):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of National Defence.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Oral Questions

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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PC

Robert Lloyd Wenman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Wenman:

In view of the recent call by the central committee of the Soviet Union for a further build-up of that country's armed forces, the recognition of the growing Soviet threat in recent statements by the Minister of National Defence, the Secretary of State for External Affairs and the Secretary General of NATO, the reflection of this concern in President Carter's call for reinstating the draft and in Congressional demands for increasing military spending, and in view of the lack of planning-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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An hon. Member:

What is the question9

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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PC

Robert Lloyd Wenman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Wenman:

In view of the-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF REPORT "FEDERAL POLICIES FOR EMERGENCIES-A PLANNING REVIEW"
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June 26, 1980