December 12, 1979

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGED REVERSAL OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISES
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, one can always tell when the Leader of the New Democratic Party intends to raise a question that he does not regard as serious, because he prefaces it by calling it a serious question. The Leader of the New Democratic Party should know that if he wishes to force an election upon the country, he will have to take it on his own shoulders and not seek shortcuts in the way he has suggested and as he has done in a number of other ways.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGED REVERSAL OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISES
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGED REVERSAL OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISES
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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister will see from the amendments we intend to move today-when we will have all 27 members present-that we intend to be consistent, at least, with what we promised the people of Canada.

December 12, 1979

I should like to shift to the shifty Minister of Finance and ask him a question, Mr. Speaker. Will he confirm that out of a total of a $90 billion increase in oil revenues that is going to come as a result of last night's budget, less than 2 per cent will go to the energy bank, while some $73 billion will go to the multinational oil companies and the province of Alberta? If so, will he explain why Canadians from coast to coast are being gouged to provide such a small sum for an energy bank but are bankrolling the multinationals in the province of Alberta?

Elon. John C. Crosbie (Minister of Finance): Mr. Speaker, what a simplistic approach to problems the Leader of the New Democratic Party has! As the budget document shows, if there are certain oil and gas price increases which are outlined in the budget over the next four years, it shows how much of that will go to the provincial governments, how much to the industry and how much to the federal government. I think it is $17 billion to the federal government, $33 billion to industry and a larger figure to the provincial governments.

Of the amount that comes to the Government of Canada, all of the $17 billion will be spent on energy projects in Canada, conservation projects, home insulation programs, oil furnace retrofit programs, assistance to the Atlantic provinces because of their high dependence on oil-generated electricity, assistance for hydro projects like the Lower Churchill project in Newfoundland, assistance for gas pipelines like the gas pipeline to the maritime provinces, and assistance for projects that will help Canada and the people of Canada all over this country. That is what it will be used for.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGED REVERSAL OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISES
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGED REVERSAL OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISES
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EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS TO ONTARIO RESULTING FROM BUDGET-LOSS OF JOBS

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

A final supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. It is still 2 per cent for the energy fund and $73 billion for the multinationals. The minister could try again, Mr. Speaker. Will he confirm the figure used by a cabinet minister in the Ontario government when he said last night that in 1980 alone, as a consequence of the oil price increases forced on the people of Canada by this government, Ontario will lose some 20,000 jobs? Will the Minister of Finance confirm that figure?

Will he also confirm that, as a result of the policy of oil price increases of this magnitude, hundreds of millions of dollars in the next few years will have to be paid out to the province of Ontario in equalization payments as a result of the unprecedented attack by this government on the industrial core of Canada?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS TO ONTARIO RESULTING FROM BUDGET-LOSS OF JOBS
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PC

John Carnell Crosbie (Minister of Finance)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, 1 will not confirm anything of the sort. First, with reference to the industry and the $33 billion that they will get over a four-year period, they will invest that in tar sands plants costing $5 billion each, in heavy oil plants costing $4 billion or

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$5 billion. There are billions and billions of dollars of projects for them to invest those funds in. If they do not invest their funds in those projects, then we will review their activities. But we know that they will.

As for Ontario, I will confirm, Mr. Speaker, that Ontario will rise with stronger industrial plant and capacity than ever after the next two or three years as we go gradually up in oil and gas prices. We have pledged to Ontario that we are not going to exceed 85 per cent of the U.S. or international price, whichever is the lower. The official opposition was going to go to 100 per cent, but we are only going to go to 85 per cent in the interests of Ontario and the rest of Canada.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS TO ONTARIO RESULTING FROM BUDGET-LOSS OF JOBS
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AGRICULTURE

SC

Joseph Adrien Henri Lambert

Social Credit

Mr. Adrien Lambert (Bellechasse):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the hon. Minister of Agriculture.

According to our information, the Maple Lodge corporation of Toronto has requested and obtained an additional import permit of over 1,760,000 pounds of poultry for 1979. Could the Minister of Agriculture confirm this and advise the House whether he will continue to allow chicken imports permits to be issued by the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER MINISTER WILL BE ALLOWED TO ISSUE POULTRY IMPORT PERMITS
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PC

John Wise (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John Wise (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, in response to the hon. member's question, it is true that some weeks ago an application was made by a particular processing firm for a supplementary permit. The Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce did contact the national agency. The national agency, in turn, contacted its provincial counterparts. They were able to secure about half the amount of product that that particular processing plant wanted from Canadian sources, and a supplementary permit was issued. However, since that time a number of applications have been received from that processor.

My colleague, the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce, and I have appointed a committee which is made up of a cross-section of the industry. We have said publicly that no further supplementary permits would be issued to any processor in Canada without the approval of that committee.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER MINISTER WILL BE ALLOWED TO ISSUE POULTRY IMPORT PERMITS
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FLOODING OF QUEBEC MARKET WITH POULTRY- MEASURES TO BE TAKEN TO PROTECT PRODUCERS

SC

Joseph Adrien Henri Lambert

Social Credit

Mr. Adrien Lambert (Bellechasse):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a supplementary. In allotting the quotas, a certain percentage was set for Ontario, another for Quebec and so on for the

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other parts of the country. In this regard, does the minister know that the Ontario company, Maple Lodge, has flooded the Quebec poultry market with part of the quota allotted to Ontario, so much so that it could lead to the withdrawal of Quebec from the Canadian Chicken Marketing Agency? In addition, could the minister take steps to protect Quebec producers who are on the brink of bankruptcy, which will result in financial difficulties for Quebec slaughterhouses?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FLOODING OF QUEBEC MARKET WITH POULTRY- MEASURES TO BE TAKEN TO PROTECT PRODUCERS
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PC

John Wise (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John Wise (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, I am aware that some of these comments have been made and, indeed, some of these charges. I am quite certain that the national board, which is made up of provincial counterparts, will be able to resolve this difficulty.

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Subtopic:   FLOODING OF QUEBEC MARKET WITH POULTRY- MEASURES TO BE TAKEN TO PROTECT PRODUCERS
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THE BUDGET

LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Saint-Maurice):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask a question of the Minister of Finance. Last night he indicated to the nation that his government will be satisfied with almost no growth in the economy next year. Consequently, there will be a big increase in unemployment in Canada. Will the Minister of Finance agree to follow what was suggested on April 18, 1978, by the hon. member for St. John's West when he said:

Any government that is not led by a man obsessed with unemployment in Canada today should resign and get out and let people take over who arc obsessed with unemployment.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET
Sub-subtopic:   INCREASE IN UNEMPLOYMENT RESULTING FROM ALMOST NO ECONOMIC GROWTH
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET
Sub-subtopic:   INCREASE IN UNEMPLOYMENT RESULTING FROM ALMOST NO ECONOMIC GROWTH
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PC

John Carnell Crosbie (Minister of Finance)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, it is because I am obsessed with unemployment that we are going to do everything we can to see that these projections do not come true. We are honest with the Canadian public. We are giving the Canadian public what our professional economists think is likely to happen next year. We are going to do everything we can to show that the professional economists are wrong in unemployment as well as in other directions.

I am not going to pretend that inflation is going to be 6.5 per cent, when it is going to be 9.2 per cent, or anything like that, as was done last year. Nor are we satisfied with no growth in the economy. We are expecting real growth of at least one per cent. If our efforts are right, we will have in excess of that despite the impediments that we are carrying on our backs from the past. A lot depends on what happens in the United States of America.

December 12, 1979

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE BUDGET
Sub-subtopic:   INCREASE IN UNEMPLOYMENT RESULTING FROM ALMOST NO ECONOMIC GROWTH
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INQUIRY WHETHER ENERGY SELF-SUFFICIENCY TAX WILL BE LEVIED ONLY AFTER AGREEMENT WITH PROVINCES

LIB

Marc Lalonde

Liberal

Hon. Marc Lalonde (Outremont):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the commendable efforts of the Minister of Finance last night in the use of the language of Moliere, may I be allowed to ask him a question in French today? We are asked to approve this budget which contains a forecasted revenue from 1980 to 1984 of some $13 billion from the self-sufficiency in energy tax. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, nowhere is there any indication of how that tax will be levied, or what type of agreements will have to be reached with the provinces. At this time, there are no agreements.

So my question to the Minister of Finance is this: first, the budget indicates that additional increases in price in July 1980 will not become effective until such time as the new tax applies. Can the minister say whether he intends to apply this tax only after agreements have been reached with the producing provinces, or does he intend to apply it even if there are no agreements with the provinces? Will that tax be levied on corporate income, gross income, or profits, and does the minister intend to levy a 50 per cent tax, or less, on the surplus income of the companies? Finally, does the minister agree that by 1990 that tax will bring us to the point where we now stand, that is, the one explained by the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources last Friday in the standing committee, where we will be importing 250,000 barrels of oil-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER ENERGY SELF-SUFFICIENCY TAX WILL BE LEVIED ONLY AFTER AGREEMENT WITH PROVINCES
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December 12, 1979