December 4, 1979

PC

Gerald William Baldwin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

Mr. Speaker, it may be resolved even more rapidly than that; Your Honour makes quite good sense with that comment. It may well be that your order of reference might go as the President of the Privy Council had originally contemplated, but he might at this time consider giving contemporaneously an undertaking that the government will not

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raise at the time of the committee hearings any non-statutory, government questions of Crown privilege, and we might well then proceed quite expeditiously with the issue.

Topic:   MR. BALDWIN-OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT-IMPLEMENTATION OF STANDING ORDER 43 MOTION
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Perhaps the matter can be reserved until the President of the Privy Council is prepared to present a motion, and the subject may be argued again at that time.

Topic:   MR. BALDWIN-OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT-IMPLEMENTATION OF STANDING ORDER 43 MOTION
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Cape Breton Highlands-Canso):

Mr. Speaker, 1 have listened to the discussion with considerable interest because it is a matter of great concern. However, 1 am somewhat disabled in following the discussion because I have not had the opportunity to study the correspondence which has been exchanged between the hon. members opposite.

May I suggest to the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Baker) that he would be doing the House a service if he made available to us the correspondence and that of the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) so that we may be able to conciliate between these two warring giants on the other side of the House.

Topic:   MR. BALDWIN-OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT-IMPLEMENTATION OF STANDING ORDER 43 MOTION
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PC

Walter David Baker (Minister of National Revenue; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baker (Nepean-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, 1 have no objection to my own correspondence being made available and the hon. member for Peace River is indicating that he has no objection with respect to his.

May I just say in order to bring the matter to a head one way or the other that I will be considering the last suggestion which the hon. member for Peace River made in respect of putting a motion down. It is an interesting point.

Topic:   MR. BALDWIN-OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT-IMPLEMENTATION OF STANDING ORDER 43 MOTION
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PC

Gerald William Baldwin

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to have my letter produced, along with a simple explanation.

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Topic:   MR. BALDWIN-OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT-IMPLEMENTATION OF STANDING ORDER 43 MOTION
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MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE

LIB

Denis Éthier

Liberal

Mr. Denis Ethier (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell):

Mr. Speaker, last November 5 I rose on a question of privilege to advise the House of a problem I have been faced with following a decision by the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Wise). You indicated on that occasion that you would seek the advice of a number of hon. members before deciding whether mine is indeed a question of privilege. Mr. Speaker, this occurred on November 5. 1 thought that mine was a legitimate question of privilege. If it is not legitimate, i should like to withdraw it, following your decision, Mr. Speaker.

Topic:   MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Following the question of privilege raised by the hon. member for Glengarry-Prescott-Russell (Mr. Ethier) there was some indication that the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Wise) wanted to make an intervention at a time that might be convenient for both members. 1 do not know if this is that moment, but if not, perhaps the minister could give the House notice. Then when both members are present we could hear the final aspect of both interventions and then I would be able to decide.

Order Paper Questions

Topic:   MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
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PC

John Wise (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John Wise (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, I regret very much that I noticed only as 1 was leaving the House that the hon. member was making an intervention involving myself. I would ask permission of the House to reserve my right to make a final decision until I have an opportunity tomorrow to read the hon. member's intervention in Hansard and then give an indication at that time.

Topic:   MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
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LIB

Denis Éthier

Liberal

Mr. Ethier:

Mr. Speaker, this occurred on November 5. I think the minister has had ample time to give an answer. I would like him to tell us when he will make that representation so I will be in the House, because 1 reserved time in the hospital three weeks ago for my annual check up. I am not sure how much longer I can delay it. 1 would like to know what the minister has to say on this.

Topic:   MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
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PC

John Wise (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Wise:

Mr. Speaker, 1 will decide tomorrow.

Topic:   MR. ETHIER-RECEIVABILITY OF QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
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LIB

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES

PC

John Carnell Crosbie (Minister of Finance)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 41(2) I now table in both official languages the budget-related paper entitled "The New Expenditure Management System" which outlines the system for allocating and controlling expenditures of the Government of Canada. 1 hope this will be educational for hon. gentlemen opposite who did not have such a system. This is normally a budget document, but we want to give hon. members opposite the information now so that they will have it before the budget is brought down.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES
Sub-subtopic:   TABLING OF PAPER "THE NEW EXPENDITURE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM"
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES
Sub-subtopic:   TABLING OF PAPER "THE NEW EXPENDITURE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM"
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QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


PC

David Kilgour (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. David Kilgour (Parliamentary Secretary to President of Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, the following questions will be answered today: Nos. 86. 236, 297 and 626.

1 ask, Mr. Speaker, that the remaining questions be allowed to stand.

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Order Paper Questions

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Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
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Mr. Allard

Social Credit

1. Since 1968, did the Department of the Environment finance projects in the constituency of Rimouski and, if so (a) what were the projects (b) what was the (i) total amount (ii) amount in each case (c) what were the areas?

2. Is the department planning to do so in the near future and, if so (a) what will be the amount (b) in which areas?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
Sub-subtopic:   ENVIRONMENT-PROJECTS IN RIMOUSKI
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