November 30, 1979

PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crombie:

All studies which pertain to the Medical Care Act of 1968 or the H1DS Act of 1958, all studies in a number of provinces have been referred to Mr. Justice Hall. There will shortly be one out, for example, in the province of Ontario about opting out in Ontario, which I think will have some quite wise things to say. The fact of the matter is that a number of provinces are dealing with their problems in their own particular way. They are carrying out studies, and Mr. Justice Hall will receive their reports.

I recognize that it is the wish of some hon. members that things be done immediately. Let me say that I am firmly convinced that the medicare program is the most popular

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social program in this country and deserves proper care and attention and a review before action is taken. Sometimes in the past precipitous action has led us into situations in which we have not wanted to be; indeed, former members of former governments have indicated that as they rushed into good ideas, those ideas did not turn out to be very good. The Hall report, the review of medicare, deserves to be thoroughly done and properly accommodated.

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Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGED EROSION OF MEDICARE PROGRAM-REMEDIAL ACTION
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TERMS OF REFERENCE OF HALL COMMISSION

LIB

Monique Bégin

Liberal

Hon. Monique Begin (Saint-Leonard-Anjou):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary is also for the Minister of National Health and Welfare. If, as he says, he attaches great importance to the best program in Canada, namely, medicare, and since Mr. Justice Hall has only been granted a service contract, without the tools necessary to hold public hearings and summon witnesses, and stated at the national SOS Medicare conference that he needs those tools for those purposes, would the minister be prepared to recommend to cabinet the establishment of the Hall commission under the Inquiries Act, since such a commission does not exist, regardless of what the minister may say?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   TERMS OF REFERENCE OF HALL COMMISSION
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PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. David Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Mr. Speaker, on a few other occasions the hon. member has raised that spectre. I do not think it is particularly helpful because, as 1 have indicated to the House previously, Mr. Justice Hall can have whatever he needs in order to carry out the study. The current instruments that Mr. Justice Hall is using are the ones he wants. If he wants to broaden them, he need only ask. I am accepting the advice of Mr. Justice Hall, which I would commend to any member of the House.

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Subtopic:   TERMS OF REFERENCE OF HALL COMMISSION
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CANADA WORKS PROGRAM

LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Cape Breton Highlands-Canso):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Employment and Immigration. Would the minister take a look at outstanding applications for Canada Works projects that have not been approved? May I suggest that he might make it a point to clear his desk of all Nova Scotian applications today before he leaves for his constituency, including the constituency of Cape Breton Highlands-Canso?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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PC

Ronald George Atkey (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Ron Atkey (Minister of Employment and Immigration):

Mr. Speaker, of course, my desk is cleared each day as projects come forward from members. 1 am very happy to indicate to the hon. member opposite that the Canada Works projects which are in and which have received the views of

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members of Parliament and others will be approved hopefully by the end of next week in toto.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to hear that from the minister. It seems to controvert the information I have that he has had a number of applications from my constituency on his desk for some days now, that he has moved with great alacrity to approve applications from government constituencies in Nova Scotia, but that he has been particularly slow in dealing with applications from constituencies represented by non-government members. I hope he can put my mind to rest.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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PC

Ronald George Atkey (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Atkey:

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member opposite well knows, the process of consultation is a complex one.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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LIB

Jean-Luc Pepin

Liberal

Mr. Pepin:

It really is now.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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PC

Ronald George Atkey (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Atkey:

Perhaps, like the previous government, the process is very wide indeed. While I have had very useful input from various members of Parliament who have had the good fortune to have an allocation to their particular constituency, the process of consultation is much wider. I will act with expediency when that process is completed.

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Subtopic:   CANADA WORKS PROGRAM
Sub-subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS
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NATIONAL UNITY

LIB

Yvon Pinard

Liberal

Mr. Yvon Pinard (Drummond):

My question is to the right hon. Prime Minister. It has to do with the complaint made yesterday by the Premier of Quebec. In that respect, the right hon. Prime Minister stated this morning at a press conference:

Mr. Levesque might choose to have an ongoing confrontation with Ottawa. Should we decide to participate in that confrontation, we are going to establish the rules of the game.

Mr. Speaker, does the right hon. Prime Minister intend to establish the rules of the game by his chronic inaction with respect to everything to do with Quebec in the six months he has been in power? Does he not realize that what he is doing is penalizing and provoking all Quebeckers, through his lack of understanding of the Quebec situation, and destroying all of Canada?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL UNITY
Sub-subtopic:   STATEMENT OF PRIME MINISTER-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT INTENDS TO ESTABLISH RULES OF THE GAME IN ITS RELATIONS WITH QUEBEC
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I am surprised to find a backbencher of the former government repeating words indicating such a lack of success in the unification of Canada during the eleven years of existence of the former government. It is essentia] for us to approach the

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problem differently. We now have a government determined to change the situation of perpetual conflict between the government of Ottawa and the government of Quebec on the presence of the government of Ottawa in the province of Quebec, and on the strength of federalism. I believe the strength of federalism was really demonstrated in the byelections, particularly as a result of the action of Mr. Claude Ryan, but also as a result of the attitude of this federal government.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL UNITY
Sub-subtopic:   STATEMENT OF PRIME MINISTER-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT INTENDS TO ESTABLISH RULES OF THE GAME IN ITS RELATIONS WITH QUEBEC
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REQUEST FOR ACTION ON REGIONAL DISPARITIES

LIB

Yvon Pinard

Liberal

Mr. Yvon Pinard (Drummond):

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister talks about a change of attitude. We are thinking of the Guy Favreau complex which is not operative yet, of the mapping centre in Sherbrooke, of the tax data centre in Jonquiere, of the endangered shipyards in Quebec, of the federal penitentiaries whose construction has been delayed for months, of the Laprade plant, of the $200 million in compensation that has not been paid to the Quebec government. Mr. Speaker, 1 am asking the Prime Minister to come back to reality. My question is this: Is this his vision of Canada? Is this his idea of a fair and equitable distribution of riches in this country, to deprive Quebec systematically at a time when GM is going to invest in Ontario, to have a $60 million ice-breaker built in Ontario? This morning, at a press conference, all the Prime Minister found to say was: "It is the first time in six months that Mr. Levesque has complained. Our relations with Mr. Lougheed are always excellent". What does he think of Canada? Is he ready to be fair with all regions of the country?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR ACTION ON REGIONAL DISPARITIES
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, 1 can assure the House that it is not the intention of this government to repeat, for example, the performance of the hon. member for Papineau who on four, five or seven occasions promised the contruction of Place Guy Favreau, while there is still just a hole there after all his promises. It is not our intention to continue that policy of empty promises like those which were made so often by the former government. We want to implement a policy in line with the developments in the province of Quebec. We had consultations with the Quebec government on priorities shared by both governments. Our government will, in the near future, make announcements regarding developments which will be followed by action instead in inaction, which was not the case for the announcements often made by the hon. member for Papineau.

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Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR ACTION ON REGIONAL DISPARITIES
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DISPOSITION OF BILL S-2

November 30, 1979