November 30, 1979

PC

Ramon John Hnatyshyn (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hnatyshyn:

Mr. Speaker, 1 simply want to say, with respect to some of the moneys being invested outside of Canada, without defending the flow of capital out of Canada, that some of these are in fact being invested in securing resources and sources of oil for us in Canada. Aside from that, our policy is one which is going to encourage increased participation by Canadians. It will be seen, in the energy package, that we are taking positive steps with respect to our energy policy which will, in fact, encourage Canadian participation and reduce the domination we now see upon us with respect to the multinational corporations in this country.

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Subtopic:   USE OF ADDITIONAL PROFITS OF OIL MULTINATIONALS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF RESOURCES
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DANGER OF SHORTAGE IN QUEBEC AND MARITIMES-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL ESTABLISH SUPPLIES DISTRIBUTION OFFICE

SC

Fabien Roy

Social Credit

Mr. Fabien Roy (Beauce):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Prime Minister. On March 21, 1979, the House passed Bill C-42 providing for the creation of the Energy Supplies Allocation Board and for the appointment of the executive director and members of this board. Given the growing concern in the province of Quebec and in the maritimes over the security of supplies, I would like to know whether the government intends

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to go ahead as soon as possible with that project and set up this Energy Supplies Allocation Board and appoint its members.

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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources has often discussed what we intend to do about the board referred to by the hon. member. We are looking for people capable of being appointed to this board and we will announce their appointment in due course.

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Subtopic:   DANGER OF SHORTAGE IN QUEBEC AND MARITIMES-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL ESTABLISH SUPPLIES DISTRIBUTION OFFICE
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SC

Fabien Roy

Social Credit

Mr. Roy (Beauce):

Mr. Speaker, a supplementary question. At a press conference held last November 8, the Prime Minister, referring to a letter he had sent me on November 6, made this statement:

We have indicated in the letter to Mr. Roy that we might consider the establishment of such a mechanism and its membership before a crisis period to ascertain that we would have the capacity to do advance planning.

1 should like to ask the Prime Minister, since we all know what the government intends to do, when his government will act, which is still more important.

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Subtopic:   DANGER OF SHORTAGE IN QUEBEC AND MARITIMES-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL ESTABLISH SUPPLIES DISTRIBUTION OFFICE
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Clark:

As soon as possible, Mr. Speaker. I must stress that it is not merely an agency or a mechanism which is needed here. What is essential for Canada is to have an energy policy which could give Canadians the assurance of secure supplies in the future. In the past, because of the previous government's inaction, we have not provided for the security of supply which is essential and possible for a country like Canada. Our profound commitment has been to change the direction of energy policy and to give Canada a policy of energy self-sufficiency.

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Subtopic:   DANGER OF SHORTAGE IN QUEBEC AND MARITIMES-INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL ESTABLISH SUPPLIES DISTRIBUTION OFFICE
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FISHERIES

LIB

Bill Rompkey

Liberal

Mr. William Rompkey (Grand Falls-White Bay-Labrador):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans. It has to do with a press release issued yesterday, a statement on the Atlantic salmon policy. I want to say we on this side feel we do not have a proper chance in the question period to raise the kind of questions we would like to ask. 1 should like to point out as a preamble-

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member should get to his point.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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LIB

Bill Rompkey

Liberal

Mr. Rompkey:

The release the minister put out makes no mention of the native fishery. But I want to question the minister specifically. He said there would be a reduction in the level of commercial fishing and that the number of people fishing for the species will be reduced. He also says fishing will be reinstituted in certain areas.

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I want to ask the minister where the reductions will take place and how they will be effected. I would point out to him how important Atlantic salmon are to those who live on the northeast coast of Newfoundland and the coast of Labrador particularly. Is it his intention to make reductions there? Is it his intention to reinstitute salmon at all in any part of New Brunswick, Gaspe or on the west coast of Newfoundland?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. James A. McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans):

As the hon. member knows, the new strategy for Atlantic salmon announced yesterday calls for a change from a global approach to a zone approach in monitoring. As we establish zones we shall be able to establish the TACs, or regulations governing both commercial and sports fishing. There will be a reduction in the number of commercial licences and, obviously, this reduction will take place in the only area where there is a substantial commercial fishery, namely, Newfoundland.

As far as New Brunswick is concerned, I cannot foresee any increase in commercial activity. However, we intend to give the new salmon management policy which will establish management zones and an over-all salmon board an opportunity to become operative before we make any hard and fast decisions. 1 can tell the hon. member that I cannot foresee any increase in commercial salmon fishing activity.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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LIB

Bill Rompkey

Liberal

Mr. Rompkey:

The release said in a later paragraph that salmon will be fished mainly in their native province. We have heard a lot about provincial rights. We know that provincial premiers have rights-as a matter of fact, some provincial premiers have even more rights than the Prime Minister. But we did not know that salmon have rights.

I want to know, first of all, whether or not the salmon have been consulted as to whether they can be fished in their home provinces. The minister speaks, in all seriousness, of Atlantic salmon returning to maritime and Quebec rivers, and says they are currently being intercepted by Canadian fishermen. I want to know what that means. He says it should be possible to eliminate most interceptions by changing fishing seasons and by limiting fishing efforts through licensing. Can the minister clarify this point and explain to us how these salmon are going to be fished within provinces? Will he tell us exactly what he means by that statement?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McGrath:

I did, in fact, consult with the hon. member yesterday; 1 briefed him on this statement. Obviously, it would have been more productive had I consulted with the salmon.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McGrath:

It seems to me that all the good will behind the briefing we made available to the hon. member yesterday was for naught, because he does not seem to understand the simple theme of this whole strategy. The central theme is zone management, and this is what will be put in place. He does not seem to understand that each run of salmon going up a river has its own identifiable characteristics. Obviously, this means that salmon running up provincial rivers, up the Miramichi

River, for example, or the Saint John River in New Brunswick, are distinguishable from the salmon running up the rivers of southern Newfoundland.

They will be managed with that in mind, remembering, as well, that in order for us to secure a meaningful international convention which will be effective in reducing the catch of salmon off the coast of Greenland by the Greenlanders, we shall have to put our own house in order. The theme is conservation and enhancement, which was obviously not achieved by the policy announced in 1972 by Mr. Davis.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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LIB

Russell Gregoire MacLellan

Liberal

Mr. Russell MacLellan (Cape Breton-The Sydneys):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to follow up the answer the minister has just given. If the restrictions to be imposed are to have a meaningful effect, then a more satisfactory arrangement with regard to the overfishing off the coast of Greenland will have to be reached. What arrangements has he made, or what negotiations is he conducting to achieve an agreement covering the overfishing of those salmon stocks off Greenland?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McGrath:

Mr. Speaker, the EEC has management responsibility for the Greenland fishery, and we recently had a delegation in Brussels. We were able through ICNAF to get the total allowable catch off Greenland established at around 1,100 tons. We consider that figure to be too high and we want that TAC reduced. This is the objective we are pursuing.

What I say to the hon. member is what I have just said in response to his hon. friend: if we want to make a case for a meaningful international convention to control the interception of Canadian salmon on the high seas, we have to be seen to be putting our own house in order. That is the objective of this program. That speaks to stricter action against poaching; it also means getting the whole commercial fishery in order, an effort which involves a reduction in the number of commercial licences.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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LIB

Russell Gregoire MacLellan

Liberal

Mr. MacLellan:

To safeguard the salmon stocks, it is also important to increase surveillance over the rivers in which the salmon spawn. That is an expensive proposition. If the provinces are to have this responsibility, what arrangements has the minister made to meet the cost of this surveillance? Has he secured an agreement from the President of Treasury Board to make funds available for this purpose?

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McGrath:

We have offered to hand over to the provinces-and essentially we are speaking of two provinces, New Brunswick and Newfoundland-total surveillance responsibility on their rivers. They already have part of that responsibility. The hon. member should bear in mind that, of course, the provinces realize the full revenue from the licensing fees on those rivers; the federal government does not get a dollar. One province has replied positively, but we have yet to hear from Newfoundland.

If the provinces were to enter into such an arrangement with the Government of Canada, we would be prepared to agree to some kind of cost-sharing program over a prescribed period of

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time, probably five years. We feel that one enforcement agency on the rivers of the Atlantic provinces would be more effective in enforcing conservation and in dealing with poachers.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   ATLANTIC SALMON POLICY
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INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL SOON ANNOUNCE DECISION ON COMPENSATION FOR SALMON FISHERMEN

November 30, 1979