November 30, 1979

THE PARLIAMENT OF CANADA

APPOINTMENTS TO PRIVY COUNCIL-TRIBUTES TO SENATOR LAPOINTE AND MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT STANLEY KNOWLES

PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce the appointment of two new Privy Councillors. One is the former Speaker of the other place and the second is a distinguished member of this House. They will be sworn in at Government House today.

I mean the hon. Louise Marguerite Renaude Lapointe and the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles).

Senator Lapointe was called to the Senate eight years ago where she served as President for five years. Originally, Privy Councillors were either ministers or former ministers. The appointment of Senator Lapointe is in keeping with a precedent established in 1891 at which time the Speakers of both Houses were sworn in as members of the Privy Council. [English]

The appointment of the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre is a recognition of his singular service to this House. The nation knows his dedication to social democracy and, more particularly, to Canadians who are elderly or alone or in need. But colleagues in the House of Commons know another dedication of the hon. member of Parliament for Winnipeg North Centre, and that is a dedication to the idea and the institution of Parliament. It is not simply that he was first elected here 37 years ago today, or that in his time he has learned a little about the rules: what distinguishes Stanley Knowles is that he has come to personify the best of Parliament and it was for that reason, on behalf of Your Honour, that I have recommended His Excellency the Governor General swear this distinguished parliamentarian to the Privy Council of Canada later this day.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Allan Joseph MacEachen (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Cape Breton Highiands-Canso):

Mr. Speaker, on the same point of order, I should like to express, on behalf of the Official Opposition, our congratulations to the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) and to Madame Renaude Lapointe for their being called to the Privy Council. People make it in different ways, and probably it is nice to make it in the way that these two persons have made it, without that undignified scramble which sometimes accompanies appointments to the Privy Council.

I do not know, Your Honour, whether the action taken by the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Clark) has been influenced by the fact that both the two proposed Privy Councillors accompanied yourself and myself on a trip to China. In any event, on that occasion we got to know both of them even better and grew to admire their interest in all new aspects that we discovered in China. Indeed, we were greatly impressed with the athletic ability of the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre as he ascended to the Great Wall of China. Of course, he was helped, as usual, by those Liberals who were on the visit with him!

I want to say, Mr. Speaker, that I served with the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre when we were both in opposition-as we are now-when I was a member of the government and he was in opposition, and when we were both supporters of the same government.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Allan Joseph MacEachen (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

I understand his qualities in all those capacities and I hope that this move today does not constitute a drift on his part toward closer links with the establishment than he had hitherto formed, and that it does not presage-as was mentioned yesterday by the hon. member for Drummond (Mr. Pinard)-an early accession to the Senate. Maybe it is a harbinger of the future that his companion in the swearing in today will be a member of the other place.

In any event, I wish to conclude, Mr. Speaker, by congratulating both new Privy Councillors and by expressing in all sincerity my congratulations to the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre because today is an opportunity for us to tell him, through the action of the Prime Minister, of the admiration and respect which he has earned for himself as a member of this House and of the lustre that he has added to our deliberations through all those years.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

Your Honour, the House leader of the Liberal party has almost turned a point of order into a question of privilege by his comments this morning.

I want to begin, Your Honour, on this auspicious day by congratulating Senator Lapointe on behalf of all my colleagues

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here in the House. Although it is well known that the other place is not held in universal esteem by members of my party, Senator Lapointe is, indeed, held in the highest possible regard and we congratulate her upon her appointment today.

Your Honour, 1 want, on this particular occasion, to commend the government for its thoughtful and appropriate action today, of all days, in appointing the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) to the Privy Council, appropriately-as the Prime Minister (Mr. Clark) indicated- on the thirty-seventh anniversary of his membership in this most important body in our country. It is a just recognition, Mr. Speaker, of one of the finest Canadians, in my view, and the outstanding parliamentarian of our time.

[ Translation]

The hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) devoted most of his adult life to the welfare of others, the aged, veterans, the poor and women who have not yet achieved equal status in Canada.

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In addition to this fundamental concern with the problems of certain Canadians who needed a strong defender, the other aspect of the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre which has stood out in all his years in Parliament is that he has been pre-eminently a civilized man, a member who, while debating strongly for what he most believes in, never fails to respect the essential human worth of all his opponents. At root, I believe this is what has caused him to learn and master the rules to a degree that excels all comparison in this House.

Stanley Knowles-and he will note that I break a rule in naming him-is neither mean, nor malicious, nor, to use an old word, vainglorious. To the contrary, he demonstrates daily in this House of Commons that the best kind of champion of the people is also the most civilized.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Fabien Roy

Social Credit

Mr. Fabien Roy (Beauce):

Mr. Speaker, 1 would like to join the Liberal House Leader and the Leader of the New Democratic Party in offering my sincere congratulations to the two outstanding members who are being appointed to the Privy Council. I would also take this opportunity to pay them particular homage. First, Senator Renaude Lapointe, who has been actively involved in various activities with great distinction. She has always been interested in public life. She was a career journalist and won the coveted journalist award in 1965, which was a great honour. She was appointed to the Senate on November 10, 1971 and became Speaker

on September 12, 1974. Such achievements are evidence that the right hon. Prime Minister and the government made a good choice in recommending her appointment to the Privy

Council. She will become part of a team of 112 other members.

As for our colleague in this House, I obviously have not had the opportunity to get to know him as well as those who have spoken before me, since 1 am new in this House. But I must say, Mr. Speaker, that I have been impressed by his continuous presence in the House and his untiring participation in the business of the House. As the Leader of the New Democratic Party has said, some people choose a career in public life, but the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) has devoted his whole life to public affairs. This is why 1 believe his forthcoming appointment today is a recognition of all the credit due to him after his long parliamentary career.

His appointment is also quite timely, as the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre was first elected to this House exactly 37 years ago today, even though he had what we might call a four-year vacation in 1958. The fact that he has served Parliament for so long is proof positive that he has received the unfailing support of his fellow citizens, and it is a very tangible and outstanding indication that he has learned to represent adequately his constituents who have realized that he promotes their interests. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I congratulate the appointees and I know that this will not prevent their discharging their present duties. I asked this morning when the last meeting of the full Privy Council had been held, and nobody on the Hill could remember the date. Anyhow, I wish them a successful career.

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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I hope that the House will permit me to add just a word in respect of these two colleagues.

[ Translation]

First of all, Senator Renaude Lapointe was Speaker of the Senate during the five years I was Speaker of the House in the last legislature, and we have assumed responsibilities jointly on several occasions for special events on Parliament Hill and also in connection with events outside Parliament, including interparliamentary relations. I am pleased to congratulate Mrs. Lapointe and to thank her most sincerely for her co-operation in the past, because she was a fine Speaker of the Senate during the five years of the last Parliament.

In respect of our colleague, the choice could not have been a better one. He has now become the father of the House of Commons, a title which I am sure he will carry with great distinction. It is on this very day that he celebrates his first election to Parliament 37 years ago-a remarkable achievement.

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I want to repeat, very briefly, a true story. During the first month when I was Speaker of the previous Parliament, 1 was interviewed for the first time on a television public affairs show. In the midst of the program a question was put, as were other questions, for which 1 was quite unprepared. It was roughly as follows, "As a new Speaker, are you concerned that when you are in the chair some of the procedural experts in the House might trap you one day? What would you do, for example, if Stanley Knowles were to catch you totally off base on a procedural decision or a procedural problem?"

The answer I made at that time was, 1 hope, a proper compliment to the man who is being so honoured today. I replied, "My understanding of Stanley Knowles over the years that I have had the chance to work with him up to this point is that his love of Parliament would take precedence over his desire to get one up on anybody, including the Speaker. The chances are that he would probably prefer to have a private word with me to correct me. He would get more satisfaction out of knowing that he had thereby demonstrated his knowl-ege, which is well known, and at the same time had equally served the Chair and Parliament."

When I first saw him after that, I was flattered when he said he was most pleased with that answer. It was a compliment which 1 intended sincerely at that time. I hope it reflects the feelings of all hon. members at this moment of adulation of a man who could hardly be better deserving of the honour he is going to receive. We ail join in congratulating him at this moment.

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ing figure because it is the average age of the members of this caucus. If you believe in averages, then all of these members around me were just babies 37 years ago today.

What I want to say about service in this place is, not that if you stay around long enough you get honours such as this, but that it is extremely rewarding to hear from Canadians out there-pensioners, veterans, women, people facing poverty or other difficulties-that they appreciate the fact that they have a friend at court; they appreciate that one has tried to do things to make life better for them. The reward that I value most for my years of service thus far is the fact that many expressions of appreciation come to me from right across the country.

I am grateful for the honour that is being conferred today. 1 accept it, if I may, on behalf of my constituents of Winnipeg North Centre who have elected Mr. Woodsworth and me to this House for a total of 54 of the last 58 years. But I think of my constituency not just as those who live within the bounds of Winnipeg North Centre, but those all over Canada for whom 1 have tried to be a voice in this House. It is on their behalf that I am happy to accept this honour.

1 say again to my colleagues in all parties in the House that 1 am deeply touched by the warmth of their expressions to me on this occasion.

[Editor's Note: Members of the House stood and applauded.]

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, 1 would certainly be something other than human if I were not deeply grateful for this day. I do feel that way, and 1 extend my warmest thanks to the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Clark) for the recommendation he has made to my old personal friend, his Excellency the Governor General. I am grateful to the Prime Minister, to the hon. member for Cape Breton Highlands-Canso (Mr. MacEachen), to my own leader, the hon. member for Oshawa (Mr. Broadbent), to the hon. member for Beauce (Mr. Roy), the leader of the Social Credit party, and to Your Honour for the kind things that have been said on this occasion.

I am grateful not only for the honour that is to be bestowed upon me at noon today and for the kind things that have been said, but for the feeling of warmth that I have experienced in the last day or so-the news did seem to leak out: that happens around this place-from members of all parties in this House. It is nice that it is happening, but it makes it a lot nicer when so many friends are pleased.

I believe what 1 would most like to say is that service in this place is really a very satisfying way to live one's life. After all, I was 34 when 1 came here and I am 71 now, so I have spent most of my life in these halls. By the way, may I interject to say that my colleague, the hon. member for Mission-Port Moody (Mr. Rose), said a moment ago that 37 is an interest-

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Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Order.

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Some hon. Members:

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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

FINANCE

LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Saint-Maurice):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask a question of the Prime Minister, in the absence of the Minister of Finance. During the election campaign, the Prime Minister and his party promised substantial tax relief to Canadian taxpayers. Yesterday, the Minister of Finance went to New York and told his audience that tax relief was out of the question. How does the Prime Minister expect anyone to have any confidence in his party's credibility, in light of this further major reversal of policy and the flagrant disregard for promises made to the Canadian people?

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Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, it was our conclusion, after studying the accounts of Canada and the economic circumstances that the nation faces, that it would not be appropriate in this budget to bring forward the tax reductions which we had hoped would be possible earlier in the year.

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November 30, 1979