Mr. Chairman, 1 want to make a few comments more in the terms of a representation than a series of questions.
First of all, I agree with the parliamentary secretary when he said the producers are generally pleased with the tariff revisions that are being made in this bill. My communication with them is the same as his, that is to say, they are pleased with the revisions. But a lot of producers would have liked to see the revisions go a bit further. My opinion-and it is only my opinion-is that I think we are a little too cautious when we come to GATT. I think we are a little too concerned about being free and open traders. I am not talking about building huge tariff walls or anything of that sort, but I want to remind the House that historically in Canada the average agriculture tariff has been 1 per cent or less. That is a very low tariff when compared to tariffs in other countries or tariffs for other goods in our own country.
1 believe the producers in Canada need more protection than has been given to them in the past. I make that representation to the parliamentary secretary based on many conversations that I have had with producers, horticulturalists and producers of other commodities from one end of this country to the other. As a nation and as a people, when we talk about farm production one of our objectives must be to strive toward the goal of self-sufficiency. Many people ask what we mean by that. People say that we produce a lot of food in this country, that we have a lot of land, that we are capable of production and so on, but I want to tell the parliamentary secretary that according to the Department of Agriculture, if wo take away grains and oil seeds, in 1978 our net deficit in the production of food was about $1.6 billion to $1.8 billion. That is if you take away grains and oil seeds.
Subtopic: CUSTOMS TARIFF
Sub-subtopic: MEASURE TO AMEND