October 19, 1979

LIB

J. Gilles Lamontagne

Liberal

Hon. J. Gilles Lamontagne (Langelier):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to put a question to the minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

Since the dismantling or privatization of that corporation was announced, several citizens are worried. Until now, the government has implemented programs to help tenants. The minister doubtless knows that economic strengths are not the same in every province and that. average incomes are not either, and that, in addition, both interest rates and inflation are increasing. If any group of citizens is being burdened by the effects of that situation, it is the tenants. Can the minister tell us whether or not he intends to recommend a program to help tenants directly?

October 19, 1979

I should like to put him another question; does he intend to privatize the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, and could that make interest rates go down?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA MORTGAGE AND HOUSING CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER CORPORATION WILL BE PRIVATIZED-PROGRAM TO ASSIST TENANTS
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PC

Elmer MacIntosh MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion; Progressive Conservative Party Caucus Chair)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Elmer M. MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, I welcome the question from the distinguished former postmaster general. I want to assure him that, despite reports that are going around, there has been no ultimate decision taken on what will or will not be done with Canada Mortgage and Housing.

We on this side are very conscious of maintaining the responsibility of the Government of Canada for the social needs of Canadians in housing. 1 have spoken from time to time with the responsible minister in Quebec about the need to protect tenants and to protect people in that province from any of the unfortunate consequences of high interest rates or any other policies that affect housing.

I think it would be fair to say in this answer that the demographics, as hon. members opposite know, clearly indicate that the demand for housing in the eighties will not be as great as it has been. For that reason it is important that we concentrate on improving the urban core in some cities, the rehabilitation of existing housing and looking after the needs of all tenants.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA MORTGAGE AND HOUSING CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER CORPORATION WILL BE PRIVATIZED-PROGRAM TO ASSIST TENANTS
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INQUIRY WHETHER UNDERPRIVILEGED WILL BENEFIT FROM HOUSING POLICY

LIB

Céline Hervieux-Payette

Liberal

Mrs. Celine Hervieux-Payette (Mercier):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the minister responsible for urban affairs. In view of the fact that Mr. Donald Matthews, chairman of the task force on Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, seems to have been the former national president of the Progressive Conservative Party as well as a housing developer, can the minister responsible for CMHC tell this House who on this task force was representing the interests and views of underprivileged Canadians in need of social housing, or are we to understand that the minister put the fox in charge of the hen house as far as housing policy is concerned?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER UNDERPRIVILEGED WILL BENEFIT FROM HOUSING POLICY
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PC

Elmer MacIntosh MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion; Progressive Conservative Party Caucus Chair)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Elmer M. MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, I will be delighted to send the hon. member opposite a list of the people who comprise the group looking into the various questions in Canada Housing. Any doubts that this House may have about the political neutrality and objectivity of Mr. Matthews ought to be removed by the fact that his beautiful daughter is married to a very, very prominent Liberal politician.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER UNDERPRIVILEGED WILL BENEFIT FROM HOUSING POLICY
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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER UNDERPRIVILEGED WILL BENEFIT FROM HOUSING POLICY
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REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION

NDP

Andrew Hogan

New Democratic Party

Mr. Andy Hogan (Cape Breton-East Richmond):

Mr. Speaker, my question is addressed to the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion. In view of the fact that the new drilling has been completed for the Donkin mine in Cape Breton, which shows huge coal reserves, and the estimate is that if that mine is started now, by 1984 it will replace eight million barrels of oil a year, will the minister say when the money will come from the federal government to start that mine?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR MINE IN CAPE BRETON
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PC

Elmer MacIntosh MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion; Progressive Conservative Party Caucus Chair)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Elmer M. MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

As the hon. member knows, Mr. Speaker, the question of the Donkin mine is part of a very important energy package strategy, not only for Nova Scotia but for the maritime provinces.

The timing of the production of the mine is very important to ensure that market conditions and forecasts are such that it will come on stream at the most opportune time. I share with the hon. member the urgent wish that the mine will be started as soon as possible. This matter is under very active consideration at this time and will be discussed in cabinet before very long.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR MINE IN CAPE BRETON
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NDP

Andrew Hogan

New Democratic Party

Mr. Hogan:

I thank the minister for the information. May I now ask what the condition is as far as the Prince mine is concerned? A pledge was made by the former government to allocate funds. I understand this has not yet been done. That is a very vital part of the whole self-sufficiency argument of making Cape Breton coal useful, instead of importing oil.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR MINE IN CAPE BRETON
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PC

Elmer MacIntosh MacKay (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion; Progressive Conservative Party Caucus Chair)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacKay:

Mr. Speaker, there is at the present time a very realistic disposition to expand not only Prince but No. 26 colliery. However, that is without prejudice to the plans for the Donkin mine. However, all these particular aims and objectives have to be co-ordinated so that the coal is not only there when we need it but, hopefully, will not be there too soon.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR MINE IN CAPE BRETON
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FISHERIES

LIB

Bill Rompkey

Liberal

Mr. William Rompkey (Grand Falls-White Bay-Labrador):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans. I want to take this opportunity, belated as it is, to congratulate him on his responsibilities and to wish him well.

The minister is aware that no money has been available for the fishing vessel subsidy program since last June. In the meantime, the whole construction season has gone by and the shipyards in the Atlantic area and Quebec have been idle through lack of funds. Is the minister aware of this situation and the fact that hundreds of fishermen in the Atlantic area and Quebec are in desperate need of new vessels? He knows the cost of a longliner over 50 feet is more than half a million dollars. Has the minister requested funds for the subsidy

October 19, 1979

Oral Questions

program, and can he tell us when those funds will be forthcoming?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST THAT SHIPBUILDING SUBSIDY BE REINSTATED
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PC

James Aloysius McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Janies A. McGrath (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans):

As is the case with so many good programs, we have had to place a freeze on this one because of the free spending habits of the government of which the hon. member was a supporter. However, we have had discussions with the provinces and worked out an arrangement whereby there will be at least a partial lifting of the freeze. Details have been worked out so we can implement the program, albeit in a modified way, for the balance of this year and hopefully for at least part of next year.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST THAT SHIPBUILDING SUBSIDY BE REINSTATED
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LIB

Bill Rompkey

Liberal

Mr. Rompkey:

I thank the minister for his positive answer. I want to make sure it is positive enough. My supplementary question is for the President of the Treasury Board.

In view of the fact that in the last fiscal year $11 million was allocated for vessel subsidies, and that in the present fiscal year no moneys have been allocated since the new government came to office, is the hon. gentleman prepared now to respond to the needs of the fishermen of the Atlantic area and Quebec by allocating funds at last year's level, to ensure that fishing vessels can be replaced and new vessels built?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST THAT SHIPBUILDING SUBSIDY BE REINSTATED
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PC

Sinclair McKnight Stevens (President of the Treasury Board)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Sinclair Stevens (President of the Treasury Board):

can assure the hon. member, who is a veteran of this House, that I will respond in the appropriate way, the way in which any president of the treasury board would respond to any request from his colleague, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST THAT SHIPBUILDING SUBSIDY BE REINSTATED
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

LIB

Roland de Corneille

Liberal

Mr. Roland de Corneille (Eglinton-Lawrence):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Secretary of State for External Affairs. Can the hon. lady tell the House whether the emissary extraordinary, or the extraordinary emissary to the Middle East, the Hon. Robert Stanfield, did indeed hold any public or clandestine meetings with representatives of the PLO before the PLO has met the two conditions which the Prime Minister laid down for relationships with, or recognition of that terrorist organization?

Further, if Mr. Stanfield has indeed had such meetings with the PLO, has he discussed with the PLO any topics other than the moving of the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and has he made any undertakings to continue further contacts with the PLO?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   MEETING OF HON. ROBERT STANFIELD WITH PLO
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PC

Flora Isabel MacDonald (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Flora MacDonald (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I have not had an opportunity to meet with Mr. Stanfield since his return to Canada, but I have read in the press and listened to reports that he stated he had met

with a representative of the PLO, and I am perfectly willing to believe Mr. Stanfield's comment. It was in no way clandestine. He said what he had done, and he did that knowing the terms of his reference permitted him to meet with anyone he felt it was appropriate to consult.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   MEETING OF HON. ROBERT STANFIELD WITH PLO
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DRESS OF MEMBERS IN CHAMBER

October 19, 1979