October 15, 1979

LIB

J. Judd Buchanan

Liberal

Mr. Buchanan:

Since the election, Mr. Speaker, the interest cost of carrying a first mortgage in Canada has risen by an unprecedented 25 per cent. The question is, Mr. Speaker, since the cost of carrying a $50,000 mortgage has gone up by $ 150-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION PROGRAM
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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. Does the hon. member wish to put a question?

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Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION PROGRAM
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LIB

J. Judd Buchanan

Liberal

Mr. Buchanan:

Mr. Speaker, the mortgage program put in place by his colleague, the Minister of Finance, will give $32 a month rebate. How does this make housing more available and more affordable to the average Canadian?

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Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION PROGRAM
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, after the introduction and the passage, if the House decides to pass the proposal for a tax credit on mortgage interest and on property taxes, housing in this country will be less expensive than it now is.

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Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION PROGRAM
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   FINANCE
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HEALTH AND WELFARE

NDP

Robert Joseph Ogle

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bob Ogle (Saskatoon East):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of National Health and Welfare. I should first like to congratulate the minister on his new role in government, and I would not want him to feel that we are neglecting him.

In view of the fact that the government of Newfoundland is now considering deterrent fees in financing medicare in the province, would the minister indicate to this House what specific action he plans to take under the Medical Care Act to

ensure that Newfoundlanders have universal access to medical services in their province?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   ACCESS OF EASTERN CANADA TO MEDICAL SERVICES
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PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. David Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. member for his best wishes and for his question. The hon. member may be aware that at the recent federal-provincial conference with provincial health ministers we established a review of our medical care services in the country under the auspices of Mr. Justice Emmett Hall. That report is due in the springtime. At that time recommendations will be coming to all members of this House, and I hope hon. members will give them the serious consideration they deserve.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   ACCESS OF EASTERN CANADA TO MEDICAL SERVICES
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NDP

Robert Joseph Ogle

New Democratic Party

Mr. Ogle:

Mr. Speaker, I am very much aware of the fact that a plan has been put into effect to study the future, but I would like to suggest that once the gate is open and the cows are out, it is too late to close the gate. In view of the fact that in addition to the situation in Newfoundland, over 40 per cent of the doctors in Prince Edward Island have opted out of medicare and 18 per cent to 20 per cent of doctors in Ontario have done likewise, will the minister now bring legislation into this House to reverse this serious cutback in health services in Canada and allow the former 50-50 formula to be reintroduced in order to avoid the current crisis?

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   ACCESS OF EASTERN CANADA TO MEDICAL SERVICES
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PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crombie:

Mr. Speaker, the study that Mr. Justice Hall is undertaking is rooted in the principles of not only the Medical Care Act of 1968 but, indeed, the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act of 1958. Those are the two basic acts that underpin the whole of medicare. Those two acts also involve fundamentally four principles, and those principles are reiterated in the Emmett Hall commission terms of reference. When its report comes forward it will be making recommendations specifically with respect to opting out, extra billing and guidelines to make sure that those principles are achieved.

I am sure there is no member in this House who would like us to proceed without appropriate guidelines. Those guidelines were undertaken by the previous minister, but were not forthcoming to the ministers in the provinces. Every provincial minister with the exception of one indicated that the study was appropriate. I believe it is appropriate and I think Canadians think it is appropriate.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   ACCESS OF EASTERN CANADA TO MEDICAL SERVICES
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
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NEWFOUNDLAND-REQUEST FOR MORATORIUM ON USER FEES FOR MEDICARE

LIB

Monique Bégin

Liberal

Hon. Monique Begin (Saint-Leonard-Anjou):

Mr. Speaker, it is all very nice to have one more royal commission after a "tiny perfect" federal-provincial conference, but I am very disappointed with the answer of the new Minister of National Health and Welfare. I would like to ask him if he will impose, in light of what has just happened in Newfoundland, a moratorium on user-fee charges in the province until the publication of the Hall report.

October 15, 1979

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Subtopic:   NEWFOUNDLAND-REQUEST FOR MORATORIUM ON USER FEES FOR MEDICARE
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PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. David Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. member for the question. Indeed, my job would have been an awful lot easier in that regard, with relation to her question, if she had carried out her promise to the provinces to provide them with guidelines respecting those principles.

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Subtopic:   NEWFOUNDLAND-REQUEST FOR MORATORIUM ON USER FEES FOR MEDICARE
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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PC

David Edward Crombie (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crombie:

There was an undertaking of the former minister and, indeed, the former government to do so. They did not do so, and the purpose of the Hall commission is to provide this House with those guidelines.

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Subtopic:   NEWFOUNDLAND-REQUEST FOR MORATORIUM ON USER FEES FOR MEDICARE
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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LIB

Monique Bégin

Liberal

Miss Begin:

Mr. Speaker, when we had the transition of power in June, 1 offered the new minister what 1 think all Canadians want, which is a complete non-partisan approach to save the best institution in Canada for Canadians.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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October 15, 1979