March 26, 1979

PC

Jean Elizabeth Pigott

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Jean E. Pigott (Ottawa-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of State for Urban Affairs.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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Steve Eugene Paproski

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Paproski:

Is he here?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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Jean Elizabeth Pigott

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Pigott:

Could the minister tell us whether an arbitrator has been appointed to review the AHOP situation in St. John's, to which the minister committed himself during debate in committee of the whole? I ask him, what steps have been taken to establish a permanent office at Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation to handle the complaint of poor quality housing?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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LIB

André Ouellet (Minister of Public Works; Minister of State for Urban Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Andre Ouellet (Minister of Public Works and Minister of State for Urban Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, following discussions in the House when Bill C-29 was introduced, a meeting was held between counsel for the people concerned and a representative from Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation. After this meeting, a formal answer is expected from counsel for the people concerned, and as soon as we receive this answer a decision will be taken as regards the appointment of an arbitrator.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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Jean Elizabeth Pigott

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Pigott:

Mr. Speaker, I have a supplementary question. I am concerned about another situation, in the city of Penticton, B.C. It is a report-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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An hon. Member:

Order.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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Jean Elizabeth Pigott

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Pigott:

I have a further question on a quality problem which has occurred in Penticton, B.C., and is reported in the paper. Through lack of insulation, people have fallen through roofs and broken legs. These people were alarmed to find that the units were sold by a Central Mortgage and Housing

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Corporation inspector. I ask the minister whether or not it is still possible for a CMHC inspector to inspect buildings which he himself builds and sells?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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LIB

André Ouellet (Minister of Public Works; Minister of State for Urban Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Ouellet:

Mr. Speaker, I would like to have more details on this matter before making any comments. Obviously, the remarks of the hon. member seem rather strange to me. I do not want to comment on them before having a detailed knowledge of the matter. It is a frequent occurrence that hon. members from the other side of the House display only a part or an aspect of a case in order to make it look disgraceful, when actually there is often a very rational explanation about the matter.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   URBAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   REVIEW OF AHOP PROGRAM IN ST. JOHN'S-ESTABLISHMENT OF PERMANENT OFFICE AT CMHC
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INCOME TAX

PC

William Hillary (Bill) Clarke

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bill Clarke (Vancouver Quadra):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of National Revenue about Vancouver news report of last week which indicated that millions of dollars are being lost by Revenue Canada in a so-called "rent-a-relative" tax racket. It was reported that an investigation of 2,300 dependency claims in the Vancouver area has revealed that over half needed further checks and nearly 1,000 could not be verified, resulting in many disallowances and prosecutions.

Is the minister aware of this problem, and what action does he contemplate to solve it?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   VANCOUVER-REPORTED DISALLOWANCE AND PROSECUTION OF DEPENDENCY CLAIMS
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LIB

Anthony Chisholm Abbott (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. A. C. Abbott (Minister of National Revenue and Minister of State (Small Business)):

Yes, Mr. Speaker, regrettably we are aware and we have prosecuted a number of cases. I gather that in Vancouver, while the preliminary report shows claims for $364,000, $268,000 were proved false and as a result 10 to 12 persons have been prosecuted. I gather also that in other parts of the country some one-third of the claims have been shown to be false. We are alert to this problem and we are taking action wherever evidence is brought forward.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   VANCOUVER-REPORTED DISALLOWANCE AND PROSECUTION OF DEPENDENCY CLAIMS
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William Hillary (Bill) Clarke

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Clarke:

Mr. Speaker, has the minister considered consulting with his senior minister, the Minister of Finance, to see if the rules concerning dependency claims could be simplified so this problem will not occur all the time and will not force the minister into the role of an inquisitor?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   VANCOUVER-REPORTED DISALLOWANCE AND PROSECUTION OF DEPENDENCY CLAIMS
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LIB

Anthony Chisholm Abbott (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Mr. Speaker, I think the rules are equitable. They involve proof that the dependant is indeed a dependant. Once that has been established, the law provides for a deduction equal to that provided for a Canadian supporting a dependant. The difficulty arises because the dependant is in a foreign and distant place and whether the evidence is valid or not is more difficult to ascertain. I do not think the rules need to be changed. 1 think it is simply that our officers must

March 26, 1979

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remain alert to the possibility that some cases will be fraudulent.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   VANCOUVER-REPORTED DISALLOWANCE AND PROSECUTION OF DEPENDENCY CLAIMS
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REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION

LIB

Alexandre Cyr

Liberal

Mr. Alexandre Cyr (Gaspe):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion. Over a year ago, the minister signed an agreement for tourist development with the province of Quebec of which $8 million were to be given to the riding of Gaspe. In view of the importance of the tourist industry in the Gaspe Peninsula, and the fact that nothing has yet been done since that agreement was signed, would the minister be willing to take urgent steps so that those millions of dollars can be invested in the Gaspe riding in 1979 in order to fight unemployment and also have some tourist development?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSAL THAT $8 MILLION INITIALLY INTENDED FOR GASPE PENINSULA BE USED TO COMBAT UNEMPLOYMENT AND PROMOTE TOURISM
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Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, yes, we did sign that agreement almost a year ago and not much has been done in that first year. One of the reasons, I am told, is that the Quebec tourism, fish and game department had not included those amounts in their budgets nor planned to proceed with those plans during the current fiscal year. But it has been confirmed that for the new fiscal year which begins in a few days, those amounts have been taken into account, and we should now see more activity in that field; I hope this will happen and can assure the hon. member that we shall keep a close eye on the situation.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSAL THAT $8 MILLION INITIALLY INTENDED FOR GASPE PENINSULA BE USED TO COMBAT UNEMPLOYMENT AND PROMOTE TOURISM
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FUTURE OF CRDC IN DEPARTMENT

PC

Robert Alfred Corbett

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bob Corbett (Fundy-Royal):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion. Could the minister give some logic and reasoning to the House for his decision to end the involvement by his department in the CRDC and disband an organization which is the voice of the rural people in this country.

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FUTURE OF CRDC IN DEPARTMENT
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LIB

Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I can give several reasons. First of all, I had to conform with the instructions of the cabinet advising us that the department commitments had to be reduced; we do not have 50 or so programs which can take cuts; we have only a few to which those budgetary cuts can apply. However, I must say that in the case of the Canadian Rural Development Council, in view of the work it has done, the many recommendations I have received and the many

reports I now have for study, consideration and implementation, it will certainly be kept busy for at least two years. We also kept the Atlantic Development Council and shall certainly have the opportunity in the next few years of setting up again, when the situation justifies it, a council to advise us again on the new policies that can be applied within the Department of Regional Economic Expansion. In closing, I can assure the hon. member that we had to resign ourselves to making that decision, but that it was no easy task.

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Subtopic:   FUTURE OF CRDC IN DEPARTMENT
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FISHERIES

March 26, 1979