March 21, 1979

NDP

William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Arnold Peters (Timiskaming):

Mr. Speaker, it is pretty hard to follow someone who has been talking about Paradise Hill, particularly when you are interested in speaking with the Minister of Employment and Immigration.

I would like to ask the minister if he is aware that a very bitter labour dispute is taking place at the Boise Cascade plant, in Kenora, and that the offices of employment in Thunder Bay and Winnipeg are recruiting scabs to drive trucks and transports through legitimate picket lines who have to be prepared to travel in convoy with OPP escorts? If the minister has knowledge of these posters that ensure danger pay and other unusual compensation, does he condone the UIC offices being used to support management in this labour dispute where mercenaries can only add to an already explosive situation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR DISPUTES
Sub-subtopic:   RECRUITING OF SCABS TO CROSS LEGITIMATE PICKET LINES
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LIB

Jack Sydney George (Bud) Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. Bud Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration):

Mr. Speaker, one of the more difficult times we have during the course of a strike is in trying to remain neutral in the situation. As a matter of fact, there is a tendency to lean in favour of those who are working at a plant or, at least, are out on strike because we indicate to individuals, when the employer says he needs employees-and I mean those who may apply for the jobs-that the plant is on strike and that if they do not accept the particular proposal to go to the plant that is struck, they will not be cut off from unemployment insurance benefits. We also indicate we will not bring anybody in under mobility grants. But employers and employees pay into the program, pay the cost of it, and I think we have an obligation to both sides. I will concede to the hon. member that it is a very difficult time to try to remain neutral.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR DISPUTES
Sub-subtopic:   RECRUITING OF SCABS TO CROSS LEGITIMATE PICKET LINES
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NDP

William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

Mr. Speaker, I have read a lot of ads for employment, but I never read one before in which the department itself indicated that there was danger, danger pay being paid, that a high price would be paid, and which would involve bringing the people out by airplane and they would be driving in conditions where the police would be the escort. I would ask the minister if he does not think that this type of operation, where obviously the persons being hired are mercenaries in a

battle, is not in keeping with our normal employment practices.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR DISPUTES
Sub-subtopic:   RECRUITING OF SCABS TO CROSS LEGITIMATE PICKET LINES
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LIB

Jack Sydney George (Bud) Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Cullen:

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest, with respect, that if we did not put that kind of information down so that the individual who might be applying for the job would not be aware of the conditions, we probably would be justifiably criticized for not saying so. It is a very difficult thing. I think we have an obligation to point it out and, as I said, no one is penalized if he refuses to take the job under those circumstances.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR DISPUTES
Sub-subtopic:   RECRUITING OF SCABS TO CROSS LEGITIMATE PICKET LINES
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INDIAN AFFAIRS

LIB

Maurice Brydon Foster

Liberal

Mr. Maurice Foster (Algoma):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development. In his absence, perhaps I might put it to his parliamentary secretary.

In view of recent indications by the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development that there would be reductions in Indian education funding-and concern has been expressed by bands throughout the country-and in view of the representations which have been made by the Robinson-Huron chiefs at a recent meeting with the minister, has the minister had a chance to review this matter with his cabinet colleagues and Treasury Board so that these funds might be restored for native education programs?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDIAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   INDICATIONS OF REDUCTIONS IN INDIAN EDUCATION FUNDING-REQUEST FOR REVIEW
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LIB

Hugh Alan Anderson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development)

Liberal

Mr. Hugh A. Anderson (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):

Mr. Speaker, it is true that some of the secondary education programs of the department have been cut back in the restraint period, but due to representations made by members such as the hon. member for Algoma the minister will be reconsidering the allocation of education funds. I hope the announcement regarding the allocation of those funds will be made within the forthcoming week.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDIAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   INDICATIONS OF REDUCTIONS IN INDIAN EDUCATION FUNDING-REQUEST FOR REVIEW
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NORTHERN PIPELINES

PC

Lincoln MacCauley Alexander

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lincoln M. Alexander (Hamilton West):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Deputy Prime Minister, affectionately known as the pipeline czar. I would remind him that he beat his breast in order that we pass the pipeline bill and gave us every assurance that everything was all right with regard to the United States. As a matter of fact, his colleague, the Secretary of State for External Affairs, stated on February 20, 1979, in reply to a question from one of the Liberal members:

I want to emphasize once again that there is no difficulty with the United States Administration. It remains as committed to this project as it was when the Prime Minister and the President announced it some time ago.

As a matter of fact, a similar statement was made just recently. However, the United States Administration has found that the plan for procurement is obnoxious. I ask the pipeline czar, how could the Secretary of State for External Affairs be so wrong; and has he on his desk, for signature, that procurement plan?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister and President of Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, there was nothing wrong with the statement by the Secretary of State for External Affairs. I would repeat the statement today, on behalf of the government, by saying that the government of the United States is still committed to carrying forward this major international project.

What the hon. member is referring to is a procurement plan that must be submitted by Foothills Pipe Lines and approved by the minister. That plan has been circulated confidentially to the United States and provincial governments. The object, of course, is to maximize economic benefits to Canada.

It is not surprising that there might be some concerns expressed by the United States about our procurement plan. These concerns will be discussed by the pipeline commissioner who is presently in Washington. I assure the hon. member that the procurement plan that will be approved by the minister will be in accordance with the agreement with the United States and with the law that was passed by parliament.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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PC

Lincoln MacCauley Alexander

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Alexander:

Mr. Speaker, it seems to me that the minister's enthusiasm and optimism has certainly been exaggerated. As a matter of fact, his credibility is showing.

The Canadian people would like to know all the facts. Can the minister give me the assurance that he will stand in his place on Friday of this week-and no later-in order to make a statement on motions outlining the entire scenario, the facts and the pros and cons with respect to this pipeline, so the Canadian people will know the whole truth and not just that part of it which comes to our attention by way of press comments every now and again. Will he give us an opportunity of hearing the whole story?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

Mr. Speaker, I am surprised that the hon. gentleman should be asking for the whole story and complaining about a lack of facts. Last night I appeared before the standing committee dealing with northern pipelines. I made an opening statement and I answered all the questions that were put to me by members of the committee. If the hon. gentleman had been on his toes and off the mark-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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PC

Lincoln MacCauley Alexander

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Alexander:

Will you answer the question?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

-he would have been there and taken advantage of that occasion.

Point of Order-Mr. W. Baker POINT OF ORDER

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NORTHERN PIPELINES
Sub-subtopic:   PROCUREMENT PLAN FOR ALASKA HIGHWAY PROJECT
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MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32

PC

Walter David Baker (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walter Baker (Grenville-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, my point of order is with respect to business of the House. It deals with a specific piece of legislation and is a matter which arose out of the question period today. During the course of the question period today I indicated the position which our party would be taking with respect to this bill. I want to say to the minister that it would be appropriate perhaps if we met with respect to the carriage of this bill. Given the amendments which we feel should be put to the bill, not to destroy it but to strengthen it, it is worthy of that kind of meeting. Since the matter-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32
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PC

Walter David Baker (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baker (Grenville-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, the matter arose in the House.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Yesterday I recognized the hon. member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) on a point of order during which he developed some inquiries about House business related to a reference to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Today the hon. member for Grenville-Carleton (Mr. Baker) at the end of the question period is raising by way of a point of order a further question about House business.

If the House wishes to proceed this way and ask questions by way of a point of order about House business at the end of the question period, I am prepared to be directed by the House. However, I think that we must be careful because what has been reserved as a point of order on Thursdays after the question period occurred yesterday and is occurring again today. I just do not want to encourage the House to drift to a point where at the end of the question period every day we ask questions about House business under the guise of a point of order. Therefore, I would want to be very strict with what we are doing here.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32
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PC

Walter David Baker (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baker (Grenville-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, I share the Chair's concern with respect to this situation. However, I think that it is important that the government House leader and the House know that it is our intention to strengthen that bill- because this interest engages the attention of members on all sides of the House-and that we intend to bring amendments forward within the period of time to strengthen that bill. We want to strengthen the prohibitions in the bill.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MR. BAKER (GRENVILLE-CARLETON)-REQUEST FOR MEETING OF HOUSE LEADERS TO DISCUSS BILL C-32
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March 21, 1979