March 21, 1979

LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister and President of Privy Council):

I have not discussed the matter with the Prime Minister so I cannot really be helpful to

the hon. member, though I will draw the hon. member's representation on this point to his attention.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CONCERN ABOUT CUTBACKS IN EDUCATION
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AIR TRANSPORT

SC

Léonel Beaudoin

Social Credit

Mr. Leonel Beaudoin (Richmond):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Transport.

Can the minister tell us whether he has reached a decision about the offers received a few days ago for the sale of Nordair?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN DECISION ON TAKEOVER OF NORDAIR
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

No, Mr. Speaker. We have been looking at many propositions in relation to the shares of Nordair, and of course we shall want to take into full account all the representations which have been put forward to me or to Air Canada. I expect we shall be able to make a decision very soon.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN DECISION ON TAKEOVER OF NORDAIR
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SC

Léonel Beaudoin

Social Credit

Mr. Beaudoin:

Mr. Speaker, on a supplementary.

Would the minister tell us whether his decision will also take into account the recommendations of Quebec and Ontario which, according to the information we have been getting at our offices, would like to have a strong regional carrier for the greater well-being of each of those provinces?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN DECISION ON TAKEOVER OF NORDAIR
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

I can assure hon. members that we will take every representation made to us into account and give appropriate weight to each one.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN DECISION ON TAKEOVER OF NORDAIR
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LOTO CANADA

PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Perrin Beatty (Wellington-Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo):

Mr. Speaker my question is addressed to the Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport): it relates to Loto Canada. Early in March, Loto Canada attempted to boost lagging ticket sales for draw 12 by issuing to wholesalers hundreds of gold pouches containing $5 cheques and instructing wholesalers that retailers were to receive one $5 gold pouch for each 25 tickets purchased.

Can the minister confirm that, since Loto Canada decided that retailers could keep these $5 cheques even if they returned for a refund the tickets they had ordered from Loto Canada, it is clearly possible for retailers to put in last-minute orders for tickets they know they cannot sell, simply in order to collect the $5 gold pouches?

Oral Questions

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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LIB

Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Hon. Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport)):

Yes, Mr. Speaker, the pouched $5 cheques to which the hon. member refers are part of Loto Canada's usual incentive program, though in a different style, designed to assist our retailers in selling.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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?

Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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LIB

Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Mrs. Campagnolo:

Perhaps hon. members opposite who are laughing do not have the same low opinion of the retailers in their constituencies as the hon. member seems to have. 1 believe the corporation has taken every precaution to avoid abuse and I expect our retailers will handle this in their usual competent way.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Beatty:

I am afraid the minister is handling it in her usual incompetent way. I have another question to ask. On October 5, she signed an agreement with the provinces. Part of that agreement provided that total prizes offered would be no more than 50 per cent of gross sales and that advertising and promotion costs for all lotteries in Canada would be limited to 4 per cent of total gross sales.

Is the minister aware that in the opinion of the provinces Loto Canada is already in default of this agreement signed as recently as October and, if so, what action does she propose to take to remedy the situation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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LIB

Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Mrs. Campagnolo:

Mr. Speaker, if that is so, I suppose it must have to do with the definition of what the media purchase would be in consideration of the 4 per cent figure. If, indeed, Loto Canada is in excess of that, I believe over a period of a year it would appear that we would be on a proper percentage basis. But there is no doubt that the books of Loto Canada would be open for such a discussion, provided all the provinces' lotteries were approached in exactly the same way. I think we could have a mutual auditing of books on this matter.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Beatty:

It would be interesting, also, to hear the minister's comments with regard to total prizes offered and whether or not she has any doubt whatsoever that Loto Canada is in default of the agreement she signed with the provinces.

On Monday, when she spoke to the press, the minister attempted to justify the special deal with Miracle Mart by drawing an analogy to a car dealership which had some employees who did not sell properly. The minister indicated that those people would be, and should be, put off the payroll. How does that analogy apply to Loto Canada's lagging sales, and does the minister intend to put some people at Loto Canada off the payroll?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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LIB

Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Mrs. Campagnolo:

Mr. Speaker, I am very impressed with the hon. member's concern about our retailers and wholesalers, because his leader would put all 30,000 of them out of their jobs.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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?

An hon. Member:

Oh, come on.

Oral Questions

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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LIB

Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Mrs. Campagnolo:

In the matter of Miracle Mart, Loto Canada is obviously servicing an area which previously was not served well. There is no possibility of detracting from the sales of the existing retailers, and I think the hon. member should be just a little more careful in the way in which he demeans our wholesalers. There are 187 of them across the country and they are providing an extremely good service. The merchandising program entered into represents a normal business practice in any other type of corporation.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LOTO CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   TICKET SALES IN DRAW NO. 12
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Joe Clark (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Deputy Prime Minister. Can the Deputy Prime Minister tell the House of Commons whether the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce was expressing the position of the government when he said that Ontario's anti-boycott legislation is costing Canada trade and then when he went on to say, and I quote him exactly, "We certainly don't want to lose trade with Arab nations"?

Is it the position of the Government of Canada that the central preoccupation of the government in relation to boycott legislation must be to avoid losing trade with Arab nations?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DISPOSITION OF BOYCOTT LEGISLATION-EFFECT OF PROVISIONS
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister and President of Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, on the latter point, the Leader of the Opposition must know that it is the policy of the Government of Canada-and I believe this view is supported by the Canadian people-that this country should trade with all nations except those which have been embargoed by action of the United Nations. That is the policy we have followed.

With respect to the more fundamental question which I believe underlies the concern of the Leader of the Opposition, I would tell him that it is obviously the policy of the Government of Canada to deplore and disapprove of boycott clauses which would in any way affect the human rights of Canadian citizens. That is quite fundamental to our policy; it is the basic principle.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DISPOSITION OF BOYCOTT LEGISLATION-EFFECT OF PROVISIONS
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March 21, 1979