March 20, 1979

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

Now that the laughter has subsided, I want to speak as an Albertan and tell the House that it was only four years ago that the government drove more than one-third of the private Canadian-owned oil companies out of my province and into Montana and other places. Hon. members opposite talk about prices, but they made 22 flip-flops in terms of oil policy, and independent Canadian companies said they could not stand the frustration any longer and left Canada. What is the hollow echo from the Minister of Energy, Mines and

March 20, 1979

Resources? He asks, "What about pricing?" I ask him, what about our oil companies? He condemns us and damns us. He is thumbs down on the Tories because he says they want to take away Petro-Canada, and they do not believe in Canadian companies. What does he substitute for a Canadian company? He wants a government company, and that is not the same thing as Canadians owning oil companies.

Big government and big multinationals give us no more sense of security, because that means big power. What the government drove out was far more than one-third of our small independent drilling companies, mostly located in Alberta, although some were in Saskatchewan. Any time the minister wants to challenge that, the people who have left can back it up. They would be very willing to come and be witnesses any time the minister wants to refer this subject to a committee.

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Alastair William Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources; Minister of State for Science and Technology)

Liberal

Mr. Gillespie:

Tell us about pricing now.

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

I answered the question on pricing. What the minister has not understood is that when we drive companies away, we are left to the pricing of multinationals. The minister opposite ought to know very well that he has to take a good portion of the blame for what happens with pricing when he removes competition and leaves it to multinationals to establish prices.

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Prosper Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. Boulanger:

We have the best price in the world, and you know that.

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

The best price in the world is for Liberals. You can get them free.

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Prosper Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. Boulanger:

I wonder if you are a Canadian or not.

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

I will just go through a few more policy pronouncements by my leader. My leader would establish a Canadian council of environmental and resource ministers. That would be foreign to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources because if there is a council of resource ministers there cannot be confrontation politics. There has to be co-operation, and as the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce says, socialists do not like to co-operate. They like to have dictatorial powers.

Another major point is increased supply. The Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources would like to increase our reliance on foreign supplies. What we actually have is an imaginative government seeking ways to stay in power. It is not an imaginative government seeking ways to solve the energy problem but simply an imaginative government trying to apply artificial resuscitation. It is pumping its own chest in order to give the illusion out there in the nation that we have an impending crisis and that, because of that, we have to have an emergency bill.

Editorial after editorial has condemned it. The one I have here is dated Friday, March 16, 1979, and it states:

It is good for Canada that Lougheed won so strongly. Mr. Trudeau, a classic case of one who has misused parliamentary majority for dictatorial purposes, now has a revitalized Alberta which will oppose his plans to take over (steal?) the energy resources that rightly belong to the provinces.

Energy Supplies

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Alastair William Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources; Minister of State for Science and Technology)

Liberal

Mr. Gillespie:

Source?

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

That is what we are talking about with this government.

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William Herbert Jarvis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Jarvis:

It is based on a Horner speech.

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

The article goes on to say the following:

Trudeau's new Emergency Energy Act seems more a ploy to centralize power than it does to ensure that all Canada will have adequate energy. Otherwise the government would devise a 'policy' instead of take-over legislation.

That paragraph is very important.

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LIB

Maurice Adrian Dionne

Liberal

Mr. Dionne (Northumberland-Miramichi):

Where is it from?

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

What we have lacked is policy. What we have is the illusion of an emergency.

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Prosper Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. Boulanger:

Who signed that?

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Arnold John Malone

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Malone:

I would sign it. I would write it and sign it.

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Prosper Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. Boulanger:

You don't mean that, do you? Are you for Canada or Exxon?

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Maurice Adrian Dionne

Liberal

Mr. Dionne (Northumberland-Miramichi):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The hon. member just read what is purported to be an expert source, but he did not give us that source. In fairness, I think he should put the source on the record.

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Gérald Laniel (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Under the rules of the House he has to.

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Stuart Malcolm Leggatt

New Democratic Party

Mr. Leggatt:

Jack Armstrong.

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March 20, 1979