February 15, 1979

LIB

Eugene Whelan (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Whelan:

Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. member will find, if he checks the court records, that they show this is not the same virus that causes salmonella. Having regard to the overuse of different kinds of hormones in feed, I think the record will show that the courts and the companies have been very good in compensating producers for losses.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prince Albert):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce which has to do with a meeting that has been going on for several months, with 70 nations, at Geneva in an endeavour to obtain an International Wheat

Agreement to take the place of the agreement that has been in effect since 1971.

It has been stated today that the whole negotiation has collapsed. That being so, the result is, or could be, of momentous proportions with regard to Canada's economy and the welfare of farmers generally. I would ask the minister, what is the present position? Is it a fact that the agreement is terminated? If so, is anything being done to restore, on a temporary basis, the 1971 agreement?

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

Mr. Speaker, it is a fact that the agreement discussions in Geneva have come to an end. The countries were not able to reach agreement on price levels or on a price range that would have been adequate to cover the farmers' cost of production. There is a spirit of continuing the food aid convention and also of assuring that discussions can begin again.

I should say, Mr. Speaker, that the Canadian delegation did an extremely good job in trying to ensure that farmers were protected in regard to a fair return, and they were supported at all times by the producers' advisory group. It had been our position throughout that the producers' advisory group had to be satisfied with the kind of agreement we might achieve, or we would not want to enter one. I can say, of course, that in the absence of that agreement we will continue our work with exporters and others to achieve a fair return for our farmers on the world market.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, this is the first time that a minister of industry, trade and commerce has had a Charlie McCarthy in the House.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Would the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce tell the House what stand was taken by the Canadian delegation? Why did the delegation oppose signing the agreement which on the face of it seemed to be fair and reasonable?

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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LIB

John (Jack) Henry Horner (Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Hon. Jack H. Horner (Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, to convince the right hon. gentleman that McCarthy does know the facts, the government acted upon the advice of the advisory committee. The advisory committee was made up of Mr. Turner of the Saskatchewan Wheat Pool, Mr. Roy Atkinson of the National Farmers Union, Mr. Lome Parker of the Manitoba Farm Business Bureau-

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Steve Eugene Paproski

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Paproski:

Otto's friends.

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LIB

John (Jack) Henry Horner (Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Horner:

-Mr. Dobson Lea of Unifarm in the province of Alberta, Mr. A1 MacPherson, president of the Alberta Wheat Pool, Mr. Jim Deveson and Mr. Ivan McMillan of the

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Palliser Wheat Growers in the province of Saskatchewan. All those people advised the negotiating committee not to sign the agreement; that to sign the agreement as it was proposed would be detrimental to Canadian wheat producers. The government acted on that advice and their own wisdom and decided that this would not be a good agreement; that somewhere down the road a better agreement could be signed.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker;

Mr. Speaker, now that the responsibility has been taken off the back of the government and its representatives, what is being done now to bring about a temporary agreement? The Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce, I know, is greatly interested in this matter, as he should be. Could he tell the House what is being done now to assure the wheat producer that he will not find himself in an almost impossible position?

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LIB

John (Jack) Henry Horner (Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Horner:

Mr. Speaker, the 1971 wheat agreement will be extended past June 30. We believe that the world market for wheat is expanding and that the price is on the rise, not on the decrease. It would have been detrimental to sign an agreement when prices are too low. I am deeply concerned about the wheat farmers, as the right hon. gentleman knows. My sons will sell a considerable amount of wheat this year-

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An hon. Member:

Conflict of interest, Jack.

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LIB

John (Jack) Henry Horner (Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Horner:

*-and, of course, they and all the farmers are interested in obtaining the best price possible.

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CORPORATE AFFAIRS

LIB

Jacques Lavoie

Liberal

Mr. Jacques Lavoie (Hochelaga):

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs. In view of the fact that in the Hochelaga and Maison-neuve ridings along Ontario and Sainte-Catherine streets there is an extremely high number of finance companies, and in view of the fact there are cases like the one I have here where someone who borrowed $5,000 and repaid more than $800 but failed to make one or two payments discovered that he still owes $5,070 could the minister tell the House if he intends eventually to bring forward some legislation with a view to either lessening the power of finance companies or wiping them out completely and leaving that business to the banks?

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LIB

William Warren Allmand (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Warren Allmand (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, the government did introduce legislation in 1976 to deal with borrowing, deposits and interest rates. That bill would have obliged disclosure of all costs and charges and would have dealt with the problem raised by

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the hon. member. But, as he knows, that bill died on the order paper at the end of last session.

However, in the meantime the Minister of Finance has published draft cost of borrowing disclosure regulations for banks which will cover borrowing, interest rates and costs and charges with respect to bank loans. I still intend to introduce amendments to the Interest Act to deal with other types of interest.

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Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER GOVERNMENT WILL INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO LESSEN POWER OF FINANCE COMPANIES OR ABOLISH THEM
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THE CANADIAN ECONOMY

February 15, 1979