November 17, 1978

PC

Thomas Edward Siddon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Thomas Siddon (Burnaby-Richmond-Delta):

Mr. Speaker, my question is addressed to the Acting Secretary of State for External Affairs: it concerns the case of Danylo Shumuk who, as the minister knows, is a political prisoner in the Soviet Union, suffering from the effects of deprivation and malnutrition.

We recently learned that Mr. Shumuk has probably contracted terminal cancer of the stomach, and we recall that Mr. Shumuk has been imprisoned in Poland and the U.S.S.R. for at least 34 of his 64 years for alleged political crimes, acts which would not likely be regarded as offensive in a free, democratic-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Does the hon. member have a question?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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PC

Thomas Edward Siddon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Siddon:

Mr. Speaker, this matter has been raised many times in this House in recent months, and recognizing that a plea was finally entered-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Does the hon. member have a question?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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PC

Thomas Edward Siddon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Siddon:

Mr. Speaker, this is my preamble to the question-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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?

Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member for St. John's West.

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Oral Questions NATIONAL REVENUE

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DANYLO SHUMUK, POLITICAL PRISONER IN U.S.S.R.
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INCOME TAX-CASES RESPECTING JOHN C. DOYLE

PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. John C. Crosbie (St. John's West):

My question is to the Minister of National Health and Welfare, Mr. Speaker, in her capacity as Acting Minister of National Revenue. I am trying to help the government gain revenue and reduce its debt.

Can the minister tell us the results of the settlement of the seven income tax cases against one John C. Doyle and a company known as Javelin Foundries? There are minutes of settlement filed in the Federal Court on November 6 for $6 million in cash and interest being claimed in those cases going back to 1966, and in the two cases in 1950 and 1954 where $5 million is owed. Has the government now collected these moneys? What are the terms of the settlement which has been filed?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX-CASES RESPECTING JOHN C. DOYLE
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LIB

Claude-André Lachance (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Claude-Andre Lachance (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Justice):

Mr. Speaker, the question of the collection of Mr. Doyle's account has been dealt with extensively in the past days and weeks-

-and I am pleased to tell the hon. member that an agreement has been concluded with Mr. Doyle for repayment of funds he owed to the Department of National Revenue and there remains only the matter of funds owed by the company itself.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX-CASES RESPECTING JOHN C. DOYLE
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PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crosbie:

Since the government has been working on this matter for 25 years, I would like to ask the parliamentary secretary this question. I have a taxpayer who is being pursued for $250, and he says, "I have no money, own no oil; why not treat me like John C. Doyle?"

Would the parliamentary secretary tell the House whether the government is going to collect all of the $ 11 million owing, or whether the government has agreed to collect less than the $11 million owing since 1950-1956?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX-CASES RESPECTING JOHN C. DOYLE
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LIB

Claude-André Lachance (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Lachance:

Mr. Speaker, this government has always believed that whatever the wealth of taxpayers, be it one company or another, they should refund the money owed to the government. Thus the government has instituted proceedings for the refund of the money owing in that case and it intends to see it through.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX-CASES RESPECTING JOHN C. DOYLE
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THE CANADIAN ECONOMY

NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Finance, arising out of the statement he made in the budget speech in

which he said indications are that natural gas reserves are more than enough to meet our foreseeable domestic needs.

In view of the fact that his colleague, the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, has said that there should be no export of gas to the United States until we have supplied gas to Quebec and the maritime provinces, and used gas to replace oil in central Canada, are we to take the hon. gentleman's statement as meaning that he is rejecting the position taken by the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, and supporting the position taken by the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce and the oil industry, that our surplus gas be shipped to the United States?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   BUDGET STATEMENT ON NATIONAL GAS RESERVES
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Minister of Finance):

If the hon. member would look carefully at my statement, he would find I said indications are there, but we are waiting for the National Energy Board to estimate the quantity of the reserves.

Indications are that the reserves are greater than was estimated, but we are waiting for the proof to be established. I said that the energy could be used in two ways, either to replace oil in the eastern market or for export. But this decision will not be made until we have received a report from the National Energy Board and decided the extent and nature of the need in the east. I think we should serve Canadians first, but having that gas in the economy will help displace imported oil which is causing a lot of problems for our balance of payments position.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   BUDGET STATEMENT ON NATIONAL GAS RESERVES
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands):

Will the minister make a distinction between our immediate needs and our foreseeable needs? I ask the minister whether, in the category of "foreseeable needs", he places the need for gas in Quebec and the maritimes, and gas to replace oil consumption in central Canada as being primary, as coming first, before any gas will be exported to the United States?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   BUDGET STATEMENT ON NATIONAL GAS RESERVES
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. Chretien:

It is too early to reach any decision about this matter. We are waiting to hear from the National Energy Board. As a member from Quebec, I wish we could use more gas in Quebec, but it is not an easy proposition because there is the cost of building a pipeline and the economic viability of such an operation. Of course, we shall use our resources for Canadians first, but if there is a surplus we shall try to sell it.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   BUDGET STATEMENT ON NATIONAL GAS RESERVES
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BUDGET PROVISIONS RESPECTING PRICE

LIB

Maurice Adrian Dionne

Liberal

Mr. Maurice A. Dionne (Northumberland-Miramichi):

Mr. Speaker, I would direct my supplementary question to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources.

In view of the special provisions in the budget last night for Atlantic Canada, can the minister confirm reports in yesterday's press that all provincial representatives, especially those from Atlantic Canada, at the federal-provincial energy conference this week were opposed to his efforts to moderate the rise

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in prices of petroleum products scheduled for the beginning of next year and, if so, does the minister intend to follow this incredible and irresponsible advice?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   BUDGET PROVISIONS RESPECTING PRICE
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LIB

Alastair William Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Alastair Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):

Mr. Speaker, I can assure the hon. member that we are actively pursuing an understanding to try to make a very important agreement work. That agreement provided for increases in oil prices at intervals, measured steps, but with one very important condition: that was that the price would not be raised in Canada if it were to exceed the United States price. That is in the agreement: it was put there to protect Canadians.

I have been seeking the support of consuming provinces and others in this venture, and I regret that they seem to be less interested in protecting Canadian workers than is the federal government.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   BUDGET PROVISIONS RESPECTING PRICE
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November 17, 1978