May 24, 1978

LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

Mr. Speaker, I would think that the hon. member would accept the fact not only as it was in the press but what I say to him, namely, that we always made the tapes available and were willing to make them available. What we could not do was to provide a transcript which we did not have. Having regard for the traditions of the House, I would think that when I said that for the second time the hon. member would accept that statement without any further problem.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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An hon. Member:

You are testy, Otto.

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

I see that hon. members opposite from the Tory party have no respect for the traditions of the House and I am not surprised to see that further evidenced today.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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PC

George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Testy ministers get nowhere, Otto.

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

Mr. Speaker, the experts who are in the process of analysing what is on the tapes have indicated that it may take them a month to complete their analysis to a degree of satisfaction which is really adequate for conclusions to be drawn from it. When experts who know the business of what they are analysing tell me that, I accept it as a fact; and, indeed, any final conclusion or any final report of a successful investigation will only come about after that transcript has been completed to the best satisfaction of experts. I hope the hon. member will find a way to accept that as a fact as well.

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PC

Lincoln MacCauley Alexander

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Alexander:

What are you getting so sore about?

May 24, 1978

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TRANSPORT

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa-Whitby):

It was touching to hear the Minister of Transport give verbal support to parliamentary institutions. A royal commission headed by Mr. Justice Emmett Hall made a recommendation to this parliament and to the minister. Mr. Justice Hall is quoted in the press yesterday as saying:

The federal government has virtually ignored the recommendations in the report.

He also said:

Lip service has been given to the report rather than its being implemented.

So much for parliamentary respect for tradition. I ask the minister whether he can now assure the House that he will stop subverting this eminently sensible report and positively go beyond that and assure the House that at this time the government accepts the full recommendations of that report and intends to implement them as a package.

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

Mr. Speaker, when the government receives a report of a commission, the government still has to take the responsibility for either carrying out or not carrying out the provisions or the recommendations of that commission. I think that also is an understood tradition of the House. In fact, we have carried out very effectively and very fully most of the important recommendations of the Hall commission which, after all, was composed of five eminent commissioners.

I have great respect for Mr. Justice Hall-he is an old friend, colleague and teacher-but the fact is that I find it very hard to sustain his objection to our not going ahead with the prairie rail authority when I have the support for not going ahead with it of virtually every farm organization, including the Saskatchewan Wheat Pool, the Alberta Wheat Pool, the Manitoba Wheat Pool, Palliser, Unifarm and all the other important organizations in the farm areas of the west. Furthermore, if Mr. Justice Hall or any of the opposition speakers think that it is wrong for us to go ahead with a $700 million program for rebuilding rail lines, I would like them to go out to the communities of the west and say so. For my part, it is the most important thing which has been done for western rail lines and grain handling for a long, long time. It will continue to be well received in the west. It is important there, and I will fight for it.

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Mr. Speaker, I rather thought the minister would give me precisely the answer he did. Mr. Justice Hall is probably an ex-friend of the minister at this point, not a current friend.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

He has said that the government, in all its wisdom, intends to spend the next eight years doing what farmers in western Canada need now: he is going to spread that over eight years.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Considering that the time-frame for upgrading the grain handling facilities of western Canada is now, not eight years down the road and, considering that we have over one million unemployed, will he not do what the Hall commission intended and what the farmers want: will he not cut this time in half and spend the money, which he has announced for eight years, over a four-year period to meet the needs of western farmers as well as to provide jobs to people in Nova Scotia who would be employed in building those facilities?

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

Mr. Speaker, at least I am glad the hon. Leader of the New Democratic Party endorses the spending of $700 million on rail rebuilding, which apparently was not being endorsed in his earlier quote.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

However, I should like the hon. member to recognize that the eight-year period makes very good sense in terms of planning the rebuilding program and the use of crews. Indeed, I had representations from the unions involved to spread the rebuilding over that kind of time period so that sensible work could be done. Furthermore, before this work could be done or begun in any sensible way, we had to go about the business of buying the necessary ballast cars, dump cars and sleds to do the work.

We have a $47 million order of those pieces of equipment in the process of being filled. With that equipment we will be able to carry out this program and complete the work in eight years. The important thing is that at the end of the eight-year period we will have a permanent grain system in the west, with every line retained in that permanent system rebuilt to standards to carry hopper cars and rebuilt in a manner which will confirm the faith of communities in the fact that that system is going to be around for a long time to come. This is dramatic action in favour of western farmers and western communities, and I think it will be seen as that out there.

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Mr. Speaker, the minister is not making speeches in his constituency now.

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May 24, 1978