December 5, 1977

PC

A. Daniel McKenzie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dan McKenzie (Winnipeg South Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I also have a question for the Minister of Transport. Would the minister inform the House whether Mr. Walter MacLeish as air administrator sent a similar directive to safety inspectors to the effect that they were not to ground airlines over safety infractions? Did he issue a similar directive following Mr. Bolduc's directive?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INSPECTORS NOT REMOVE LICENCES FOR BREACH OF SAFETY REGULATIONS
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. member would have to identify a little more precisely what kind of directive he means, and if he is asking a sweeping question about whether an official issued a certain directive I would obviously need time to check that. I did indicate to the hon. member for Vegreville that the actual four points or items listed in Mr. Bolduc's telegram I have found repeated in another letter, but not by the official named by the hon. member. It was by another official, so I can check to see whether it was a form or a standard caution or practice, and I am also seeing that it is changed.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INSPECTORS NOT REMOVE LICENCES FOR BREACH OF SAFETY REGULATIONS
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INQUIRY WHETHER MR. BOLDUC STILL EMPLOYED

PC

A. Daniel McKenzie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dan McKenzie (Winnipeg South Centre):

Is Mr. R. L.

Bolduc, the director of aeronautical licensing, still in that position, has he submitted his resignation or is the minister requesting his resignation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER MR. BOLDUC STILL EMPLOYED
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

1 am certainly not requesting it, and I do not know if the hon. member is again abusing privileges by even suggesting it.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INQUIRY WHETHER MR. BOLDUC STILL EMPLOYED
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HOUSING

LIB

Arthur Portelance

Liberal

Mr. Arthur Portelance (Gamelin):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct a question to the Minister of State for Urban Affairs. I should like to ascertain what the Canadian government intends to do concerning the Olympic Village. More specifically, has the responsible minister decided to help financially a non-profit organization buy the Olympic Village from the Quebec

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government, although this organization may be a sort of subsidiary of the Quebec government's own housing corporation? Is the minister prepared to subsidize housing to make sure that Montreal senior citizens and low income families may also find shelter in the Olympic Village?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY OF SUBSIDIZING RENTAL ACCOMMODATION AT OLYMPIC VILLAGE
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LIB

André Ouellet (Minister of State for Urban Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Andre Ouellet (Minister of State for Urban Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to indicate that the Canadian government intends to make it possible for senior citizens and people with low incomes to become tenants of the Olympic Village. We could help these people by paying part of their rentals by way of contributions under section 44(1 )(a) of the National Housing Act. On the other hand, we are seriously wondering why the Quebec government is demanding $33 million from the non-profit organization which is apparently to become the owner of the Olympic Village. We feel that this purchase should be made against payment of a nominal fee, which would spare the future owner the problem of capital financing.

Oral Questions

Monday, could the minister bring us up to date concerning his present position with respect to the indexation of civil service pensions?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY OF SUBSIDIZING RENTAL ACCOMMODATION AT OLYMPIC VILLAGE
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, 1 have talked about this in the committee. I have said nothing different from what I said to the businessmen in Toronto. This is a problem about which the President of the Treasury Board has spoken. There is much concern about the level of the pensions of some of the higher echelons of the civil service, and one solution could be the capping of those pensions. The President of the Treasury Board has already mentioned that. As usual, the hon. member takes only a little part of my remarks to make his point. When I was asked about the lower echelons, I said that it would be most difficult. That is exactly what I said, but that is not what the hon. member wants to say to the House.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY OF SUBSIDIZING RENTAL ACCOMMODATION AT OLYMPIC VILLAGE
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EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS

PC

George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Hon. George Hees (Prince Edward-Hastings):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Prime Minister. As the Canadian Manufacturers Association has stated that if this country could overcome its $11 billion trade deficit each year in manufactured products, it could make available 800,000 additional jobs for Canadians to work at, would the Prime Minister seriously consider initiating "operation world markets" which would bring principal buyers from the most important industrial countries of the world to this country to see our manufactured products at giant trade fairs in Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver and our heavy machinery in the plants where it is made across the country?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The hon. member surely is making a representation rather than asking a question.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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PC

George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The hon. member for York-Simcoe.

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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PC

Sinclair McKnight Stevens

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Sinclair Stevens (York-Simcoe):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is to the Prime Minister. As the Prime Minister knows, last July a letter was sent on behalf of the government to business and labour leaders. One part of that letter indicates that the government would attempt to lower compensation for civil servants to the level of their counterparts in the private sector. The Minister of Finance was asked to comment on this at his meeting in Toronto on Wednesday. Would the Prime Minister indicate what progress has been made with respect to bringing civil service salaries down to the level of salaries in the private sector?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I am afraid the hon. member may be inadvertently misleading the House when he indicates that civil service salaries should be lowered to the level of private sector salaries. What we have said is that salaries should be comparable as much as possible so that the public sector would not lead the private sector but would be able to pay a fair compensation comparable to the private sector. There has been a great deal of progress made in this regard. The President of the Treasury Board has met with his opposite numbers in the provinces to discuss this matter. It is a matter which has been very very central to the meetings I have had with the premiers in my current visits with them. I am sure that we will have occasion to report further on this matter to the House in due course.

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Subtopic:   EQUALIZATION OF SALARIES WITH PRIVATE SECTOR-CAPPING OF PENSIONS TRADE SUGGESTED INITIATION OF TRADE FAIRS
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PUBLIC SERVICE

PC

Sinclair McKnight Stevens

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Sinclair Stevens (York-Simcoe):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance. Speaking to a group of businessmen in Toronto last Wednesday the minister very boldly told them that he and the government were considering capping public service pensions. By Friday the minister got away from that bold position. During a CBC interview he stated: "I don't think we could get away with it". It now being

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   POSITION OF MINISTER OF FINANCE ON INDEXING PENSIONS
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PC

Sinclair McKnight Stevens

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stevens:

Mr. Speaker, I wish the Prime Minister would brief his Minister of Finance a little more fully before he speaks to his business friends in Toronto. The Minister of Finance at that time was not referring to an upward revision of civil service salaries or compensation, but one to bring them down to a more comparable level with the private sector. Would the Prime Minister indicate if from his remark today he is implying that what was in mind in July when he wrote to the business and labour leaders in the country was a general increasing of the civil service salaries and, specifically, what is

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Oral Questions

the Prime Minister's attitude on the capping of pensions as far as indexing is concerned with regard to civil servants?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   POSITION OF MINISTER OF FINANCE ON INDEXING PENSIONS
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

What is the Tory position on that?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   POSITION OF MINISTER OF FINANCE ON INDEXING PENSIONS
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December 5, 1977