December 5, 1977

LIB

Jack Sydney George (Bud) Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. Bud Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration):

Mr. Speaker, for the edification of the hon. member who cannot read my title is Minister of Employment and Immigration.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   LAY-OFFS IN MINING INDUSTRY-GOVERNMENT ACTION TO AVOID
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   LAY-OFFS IN MINING INDUSTRY-GOVERNMENT ACTION TO AVOID
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LIB

Jack Sydney George (Bud) Cullen (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Cullen:

This kind of hyperbole does absolutely no good, and discourages any hope which people working for INCO or Falconbridge might have that their jobs will be secure or that they might find jobs in the future. In the month of July I indicated, before this kind of hyperbole was being used, that my department alone placed 1,400 miners in jobs. Thus, all is not the gloom and doom that is being spread by the hon. members of the New Democratic Party.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   LAY-OFFS IN MINING INDUSTRY-GOVERNMENT ACTION TO AVOID
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RESOURCES

NDP

John R. Rodriguez

New Democratic Party

Mr. John Rodriguez (Nickel Belt):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct my supplementary question to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. In view of the fact that this

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minister and the government has never been on top of the employment situation in the mining industry of this country; and in view of the fact that Falconbridge Nickel Mines has announced already hundreds of lay-offs, and hundreds more are going to be made, can the minister tell the House if he intends to meet with the boards of directors of Falconbridge Nickel Mines and the other mining companies that are threatening lay-offs in order to discuss that situation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   RESOURCES
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY MINISTER WILL MEET WITH MINING EXECUTIVES TO DISCUSS LAY-OFFS
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LIB

Alastair William Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Alastair Gillespie (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):

Mr. Speaker, already I have met with the chief executive officers of INCO. I have also been in touch with the chief executive officer of Falconbridge. There may well be further meetings with respect to these companies and others. A number of mining companies have been to Sudbury trying to recruit miners for their operations across the country. They have not yet been successful in being able to recruit very many. This seems to support the contention of my colleague who has just answered questions on this particular point. I can assure the hon. member, if there are miners in the Sudbury area looking for employment with Eldorado or with some of the other significant mining corporations, that there are openings available.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   RESOURCES
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY MINISTER WILL MEET WITH MINING EXECUTIVES TO DISCUSS LAY-OFFS
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FINANCE

NDP

John R. Rodriguez

New Democratic Party

Mr. John Rodriguez (Nickel Belt):

Mr. Speaker, the mining companies which have gone into Sudbury looking for employees have asked for three years of experience, and the lay-off date is two years, 161 days. Therefore, the minister's reply is full of baloney. I want to direct my supplementary question to the Minister of Finance. In view of the fact that a certain amount of unemployment in this country is due to decisions by corporations to purchase minerals abroad which could be mined in Canada, such as the decision by Alcan to close down their fluorspar mine in St. Lawrence and the action of Sherritt Gordon in importing nickel carbonate for the Saskatchewan plant, can the minister tell the House if he is now considering placing a temporary tariff on the import of fluorspar or nickel carbonate, possibly in the neighbourhood of the 13 per cent Japanese tariff against imported nickel?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFF ON IMPORTED NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I have already answered this question a few weeks ago. We have examined that proposal and the product imported by the Aluminium Company of Canada Ltd. does not replace the one produced in Newfoundland. So one cannot be replaced by the other. I am no expert but that is what the experts told me in my department.

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As to the other part of the question, I think that the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources has already given an answer in the House a few weeks ago.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FINANCE
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFF ON IMPORTED NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR
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REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION

SC

Gérard Laprise

Social Credit

Mr. Gerard Laprise (Abitibi):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion. On June 22, 1977 the minister announced the signature of an agreement with a minister of the Quebec government dealing mostly with forestry development and some road systems in Quebec involving $440 million. Could the minister tell the House if following that agreement there have been other new developments or whether only that agreement dealing mainly with road construction was signed?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST FOR PROGRESS REPORT FOLLOWING SIGNING OF HIGHWAY AGREEMENT WITH QUEBEC
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LIB

Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Marcel Lessard (Minister of Regional Economic Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, some steps were taken since the signature of the agreement. Some contracts were awarded by the provincial government responsible for carrying out the agreement as such for highways, access roads in forest areas and reforestation. In those three areas, agreements have been signed. Action is under way, jobs have been created and others will be created in the next few months.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   REQUEST FOR PROGRESS REPORT FOLLOWING SIGNING OF HIGHWAY AGREEMENT WITH QUEBEC
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AIR TRANSPORT

PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Don Mazankowski (Vegreville):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Transport. It arises out of the telex that was released to the Standing Committee on Transport and Communications by my colleague, the hon. member for Winnipeg South Centre, which was sent by the Director of the Aeronautical Licensing and Inspection Branch of MOT which alluded, among other things, to the possibility of political embarrassment as a result of the enforcement of air regulations. Has the minister had an opportunity to review the telex and to discuss the contents with the director, Mr. Bolduc, and, if so, can he provide an explanation to the House in connection with that matter?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Hon. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

Mr. Speaker, I have found that similar words have been used in other cases in connection with investigations into air carrier licensing and the like. At this point I understand that the words were meant to mean that very important civil liberties issues are involved for the carriers since licences might be suspended. I have indicated that I do not think the words used carry that message very

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Oral Questions

effectively or very well and they will no doubt be revised accordingly.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Mazankowski:

Having regard to the fact that this is now the second example of suggested political interference or undue political pressure-the other example being the report that was made by the two members of the minister's department in the investigation of air safety in northern Ontario- and having regard to the fact that the minister has indicated he wants to be as wide open as possible in regulatory problems, I am sure he has now had an opportunity to review the report of the two members of his department. If so, is he now in a position to table that report, and now that we have these two specific examples, can he outline to the House what action he intends to take in that regard?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

I do not think the hon. member is really being fair in suggesting that the message from headquarters to the people in the field is an example of political interference because what it suggests simply is that in moving to remove the licenses from an air carrier there should be concern in the interests and the rights of the carriers and of the citizens who are served by that carrier and a broad view should be taken of the impact of that removal of service. That is an important point for officials to bear in mind when they are moving against citizens and depriving citizens of their rights.

On the other question, I have had a chance to look at the report. Parts of it contain what I think will have to remain confidential descriptions of specific people and carriers, and it would not be fair to them to have that made public. However, I am looking at what can be published. I can say that I have had a chance to compare the report with the story in the Globe and Mail, and I will confirm for hon. members that the Globe and Mail story contains a pretty useful summary of the analysis and conclusion. I will also indicate that the investigation which was made by my officials was very far-reaching and without any limitations or restrictions upon it. That is a pretty good basis upon which to act, and we have already begun to take action in relation to it.

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Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Mazankowski:

Is the minister now saying that he does not intend to follow through with a public inquiry, or at least a reference to the Standing Committee on Transport and Communications, to investigate the specific charges of undue political interference?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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LIB

Otto Emil Lang (Minister of Transport; Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board)

Liberal

Mr. Lang:

Mr. Speaker, I will want to reflect somewhat further on the kind of action which we can take immediately, and I expect probably at a fairly early opportunity to be able to indicate to hon. members of this House and to the public what we have done and why that really does deal with a number of problems which were cited in the course of the investigation. I think that is the most important thing. Indeed, I have already acted on a number of fronts. The investigators indicated that a good deal of the problem was due to enforcement problems. I have instructed that additional inspectors be hired and a significant number of them made available to the

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north. I have accepted another recommendation of the investigators, which is that the regional controllers have some power to act immediately to suspend operating licences and the like in order to make the investigations by inspectors more effective, and I have taken action on that as well. It is that kind of action which I think will at the earliest date restore confidence in the operation of all carriers. I think we should also remember that it is just a few carriers which cause most of the problem, and we should not let all carriers be labelled because of that fact.

POSSIBILITY MR. MacLEISH ISSUED DIRECTIVE SAFETY

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR TRANSPORT
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBILITY POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT RESULT OF ENFORCEMENT OF SAFETY REGULATIONS-REQUEST FOR TABLING OF REPORT
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INSPECTORS NOT REMOVE LICENCES FOR BREACH OF SAFETY REGULATIONS

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