December 5, 1977

?

Some hon. Members:

No!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXPRESSION OF REGRET TO SOUTH AFRICA AT MANNER OF DEALING WITH DEATH OF MR. BIKO-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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MANPOWER

PC

Robert Elgin McKinley

Progressive Conservative

Mr. R. E. McKinley (Huron-Middlesex):

Mr. Speaker, I rise under the provisions of Standing Order 43 to present a motion on a matter of urgent and pressing necessity. In light of the fact that the builders of the nuclear power project at Douglas Point have found it necessary to import skilled tradesmen from the British Isles to work on this project, 1 move, seconded by the hon. member for Grey-Simcoe (Mr. Mitges):

That this House urge the Minister of Employment and Immigration to refer this matter to the Manpower Retraining Division in his department and instruct it to set up a program whereby Canadians will be provided with the necessary training to fill these positions.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   SUGGESTED PROGRAM TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES FOR NUCLEAR POWER STATIONS-MOTION UNDER S O. 43
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Such a motion requires unanimous consent before it can be debated. Is there such consent?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   SUGGESTED PROGRAM TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES FOR NUCLEAR POWER STATIONS-MOTION UNDER S O. 43
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?

Some hon. Members:

No!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   MANPOWER
Sub-subtopic:   SUGGESTED PROGRAM TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES FOR NUCLEAR POWER STATIONS-MOTION UNDER S O. 43
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PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS ON IMPORTATION OF NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43

NDP

John R. Rodriguez

New Democratic Party

Mr. John Rodriguez (Nickel Belt):

Mr. Speaker, I rise under the provisions of Standing Order 43 to ask the unanimous consent of the House to deal with a matter of urgent and pressing necessity. In view of the fact that layoffs in the nickel industry now number over 4,000 and that while this is happening we continue to import nickel carbonate for refineries in Fort Saskatchewan, and in view of the fact that Alcan is laying off workers in a fluorspar mine in St. Lawrence, Newfoundland, and then turning around and purchasing fluorspar from Noranda in Mexico, I move, seconded by the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles):

That this House instruct the government to impose a temporary 13 per cent import tariff on nickel carbonate and fluorspar similar to the 13 per cent temporary import tariff on refined nickel by Japan.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS ON IMPORTATION OF NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. Such a motion can be presented for debate pursuant to Standing Order 43 only with the unanimous consent of the House. Is there unanimous consent?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS ON IMPORTATION OF NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS ON IMPORTATION OF NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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?

Some hon. Members:

No.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   PROPOSED IMPOSITION OF TARIFFS ON IMPORTATION OF NICKEL CARBONATE AND FLUORSPAR-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

INCOME TAX

PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Perrin Beatty (Wellington-Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of National Revenue. On Saturday, the Toronto Globe and Mail carried a front page report which indicated that an unlicensed Toronto private investigator by the name of James David Lillie had stated that he was the individual who had made available to Charles Templeton and Pierre Berton the personal and confidential tax information from the files of individual Canadians. Further Mr. Lillie was reported to have said to the Globe and Mail that he would be able to get the same information about members of the federal cabinet and the Speaker of the House of Commons. May I ask the minister whether he has investigated the claims made by Mr. Lillie in the Globe and Mail, and in particular has the minister investigated the possibility that Mr. Lillie may have information from the confidential tax files of the Speaker of the House of Commons?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATION MR. LILLIE CAN OBTAIN CONFIDENTIAL TAX INFORMATION-REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION
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LIB

Joseph-Phillippe Guay (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. Joseph-Philippe Guay (Minister of National Revenue):

Mr. Speaker, I can assure the House that the RCMP have been investigating Mr. Lillie in connection with this affair right from the outset. To say much more about it at this time might hamper our investigation. I may say further, Mr. Speaker, that the investigation has determined that no access to computer records was involved in this case. The information was obtained from the Vancouver, Montreal and Ottawa district offices of the department by a man who phoned these offices, representing himself as an official of the department needing the information in the pursuit of some taxation matter. The caller-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATION MR. LILLIE CAN OBTAIN CONFIDENTIAL TAX INFORMATION-REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION
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PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Beatty:

Amicus curiae.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATION MR. LILLIE CAN OBTAIN CONFIDENTIAL TAX INFORMATION-REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION
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LIB

Joseph-Phillippe Guay (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. Guay (St. Boniface):

Don't be naive. This was before the Pierre Berton show; keep that in mind. The caller had sufficient knowledge of the internal procedures to fool the employees whom he reached, and these employees innocently supplied him with the information from the paper records. I want to assure you, Mr. Speaker, as I have already said, that I

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immediately ordered changes in procedure to guard against a recurrence. Investigation is continuing into the possibility that an employee in our department was involved in a violation of the confidentiality provisions of the Income Tax Act. It must be appreciated that the department has 16,000 employees.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATION MR. LILLIE CAN OBTAIN CONFIDENTIAL TAX INFORMATION-REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION
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POSSIBILITY CONFIDENTIALITY OF MR. SPEAKER'S TAX INFORMATION HAS BEEN BREACHED

PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Perrin Beatty (Wellington-Grey-Dufferin-Waterloo):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. We now learn from the minister that he is in fact investigating that the RCMP nas talked to Mr. Lillie. In view of the fact that just last Wednesday the Minister of National Revenue indicated in the House that the only cases that he was aware of where the confidential tax information of individuals had been passed on to unauthorized individuals were the four cases mentioned by Charles Templeton and Pierre Berton, may I ask the minister why it is necessary, with this two weeks of intensive investigation, for Canadians to learn who was responsible for this from the front pages of the Globe and Maill Specifically, may I ask the minister whether he has conducted further investigations to see whether such individuals as the Speaker of the House of Commons and other persons have had their confidential tax information leaked to unauthorized individuals by his department?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   POSSIBILITY CONFIDENTIALITY OF MR. SPEAKER'S TAX INFORMATION HAS BEEN BREACHED
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LIB

Joseph-Phillippe Guay (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. Joseph-Philippe Guay (Minister of National Revenue):

Mr. Speaker, as I said last Friday, and as I have said many times before to the same hon. gentleman, I would rather the report had not appeared in the Globe and Mail because it would jeopardize the investigation which is taking place. When I explain it in that way I hope the hon. member will understand the meaning of it. In fact, I think anything we may say about this particular case may jeopardize what is now taking place. I have said this before and I will repeat it again and again.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   POSSIBILITY CONFIDENTIALITY OF MR. SPEAKER'S TAX INFORMATION HAS BEEN BREACHED
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POSSIBILITY OF UNAUTHORIZED PERSONS OBTAINING TAX INFORMATION

December 5, 1977