December 2, 1977

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

CANADA COUNCIL

PC

Robert Lloyd Wenman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bob Wenman (Fraser Valley West):

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 43, I rise to propose a motion on a matter of urgent and pressing necessity.

In view of the Auditor General's condemnation of the financial documentation procedures of the Canada Council and the revelations that the Canada Council is supporting, with public money, individuals to write what anyone in this chamber would term as offensive and demeaning pornography, I move, seconded by the hon. member for Prince George-Peace River (Mr. Oberle):

That the Secretary of State request the Standing Committee on Broadcasting, Films and Assistance to the Arts to completely review the Canada Council's mandate, accountability, financial procedures, performance to date and that this same committee then issue a report of recommendations that will assure Canada Council accountability to the minister and to the House of Commons.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   CANADA COUNCIL
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW OPERATION AND PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   CANADA COUNCIL
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW OPERATION AND PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The presentation of such a motion pursuant to Standing Order 43 can be done at this time only with the unanimous consent of the House. Is there unanimous consent?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   CANADA COUNCIL
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW OPERATION AND PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   CANADA COUNCIL
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW OPERATION AND PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

No.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   CANADA COUNCIL
Sub-subtopic:   PROPOSED REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW OPERATION AND PERFORMANCE OF COUNCIL-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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THE MINISTRY

PC

Robert Hylton Brisco

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bob Brisco (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, I rise under the provisions of Standing Order 43 on a matter of urgent and pressing necessity. In light of the fact the Montreal Gazette has quoted the Solicitor General (Mr. Fox) as saying "I have told the Prime Minister (Mr. Trudeau) that in the next cabinet shuffle I would like to become Minister without Portfolio", I move, seconded by the hon. member for Vancouver Quadra (Mr. Clarke):

That this House supports the request of the Solicitor General.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   THE MINISTRY
Sub-subtopic:   SUPPORT FOR DESIRE OF SOLICITOR GENERAL TO BECOME MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   THE MINISTRY
Sub-subtopic:   SUPPORT FOR DESIRE OF SOLICITOR GENERAL TO BECOME MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION

PC

Harvie Andre

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harvie Andre (Calgary Centre):

The Liberal party must have had a Christmas party last night or something.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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LIB

Daniel Joseph MacDonald (Minister of Veterans Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MacDonald (Cardigan):

What did you have, a New Year's party?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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PC

Harvie Andre

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the President of the Treasury Board. The Auditor General's report points out that confidential data stored electronically in computers is yet another instance where the government has been totally lax in fulfilling its responsibility to protect the security of these confidential data. Given the seriousness of this problem, can the minister tell the House what special measures, if any, are being taken by the government to ensure that private and confidential data will no longer be within the easy reach of those who might profit or misuse such data.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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LIB

Robert Knight Andras (President of the Treasury Board)

Liberal

Hon. Robert K. Andras (President of the Treasury Board):

Mr. Speaker, I share with the hon. member and other hon. members the seriousness of the necessity for utmost confidentiality. I disagree with some of the adjectives he has used which overstate the case with regard to access to confidential records on computers. Nevertheless, we are concerned about them. We join the Auditor General in his efforts to identify areas where more security and more effective and efficient methods of using computer techniques and computer instruments is going to be forthcoming. Indeed, much of that work is underway now throughout the various departments. We use a great quantity of computer techniques throughout the government as does any large institution today. It is still an imperfect art or science, whichever you want to call it. There is still much to be done.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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PC

Harvie Andre

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

The Auditor General's report states that the RCMP upon request conducted a number of security reviews of outside service bureaux which process government data.

December 2, 1977

Oral Questions

While none of the outside service bureaux so reviewed have been cleared by the RCMP to process such data, the Auditor General points out there are a number of instances where private and confidential data have been processed by these bureaux which have not been cleared in terms of handling highly confidential data. How long has this been going on and what types of confidential and classified data have been handled by these outside bureaux which have not been cleared by the RCMP?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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LIB

Robert Knight Andras (President of the Treasury Board)

Liberal

Mr. Andras:

Mr. Speaker, 1 would not be able to give the hon. member on this occasion such detail as he is requesting. All these measures are being brought to our attention. Indeed, effective correctional measures are being taken in almost every case. There will be the odd one that the Auditor General has developed in his report which may be fresh to us and which we will act on as quickly as possible.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION
Sub-subtopic:   PROTECTION OF CONFIDENTIAL DATA STORED IN COMPUTERS- USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS
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INCOME TAX

PC

Harvie Andre

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harvie Andre (Calgary Centre):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is to the Minister of National Revenue. Has National Revenue contracted with or have any of these outside service bureaux which have not received RCMP security clearance been used to handle or process income tax data?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INCOME TAX
Sub-subtopic:   USE OF PRIVATE COMPUTER ORGANIZATIONS FOR STORAGE OF CONFIDENTIAL TAX INFORMATION
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December 2, 1977