1. During the time that Mr. Gabriel Beland was General Director of the Unemployment Insurance Commission for the Quebec Region, Mr. Robert Kingsley was Director of the Regional Payments Centre and Mr. Dorval Mainville was in charge of the computer, was the Unemployment Insurance Commission computer rented to a private company and, if so (a) for what amount (b) to whom (c) on what dates?

2. Did they obtain the employees' complicity and, if so, in what way?

3. What was the cost in employees' wages to the Unemployment Insurance Commission in (a) straight time (b) double time?

Hon. Bud Cullen (Minister of Manpower and Immigration):

The matter has been referred to the RCMP for investigation. Upon completion of the investigation the question will be answered.

1. On (a) April 20 (b) April 27, 1977, what was the total weight of cargo flown by Air Canada to Fredericton, New Brunswick directly from (i) Montreal (ii) Quebec City (iii) Toronto?

2. How many pieces of cargo were on each flight and what formula was used by Air Canada to determine the amount of cargo?

Mr. Otto E. Lang (Minister of Transport):

The management of Air Canada advises as follows: 1. (a)(i) 3,148 pounds; (b)(i) 1,242 pounds; (a)(ii) 8 pounds; (b)(ii) 10 pounds; (a)(iii) 965 pounds; (b)(iii) 499 pounds.

2. To Fredericton

From Montreal:

From Quebec: From Toronto:

April 20, 1977

AC 640-93 pieces AC 660-6 pieces AC 674-19 pieces

AC 674-1 piece AC 642-31 pieces

April 27, 1977

AC 660-55 pieces AC 674-10 pieces

AC 674-1 piece AC 642-22 pieces

Following is the formula used to establish an aircraft's uplift capability for cargo:

1. Establish the maximum take-off weight.

2. Subtract the minimum fuel, aircraft weight, passengers and baggage.

3. Having carried out the above transactions, the weight space available for cargo is established.

4. It is at this point and time that priority of load enters the picture, eg., Air Mail takes priority over express and express over air-freight.

1. How many Canadians have received knighthoods and peerages during this century and, in each case, who received such honours and on what date?

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Order Paper Questions

2. Was the practice of granting knighthoods and peerages abolished and, if so, on what date?

3. Does the government intend to revert to this practice and, if not, for what reason?

Hon. John Roberts (Secretary of State):

1. Comprehensive records have not been kept concerning the number of Canadians which have received knighthoods and peerages during this century.

2. The practice of granting knighthoods and peerages to Canadians was abolished in 1919 when the House of Commons adopted the Nickel resolution requesting King George V to cease the practice of conferring upon Canadians honours to which titles were attached. This policy has been adhered to by successive government since 1919, with the exception of the Bennett administration, which recommended 17 Canadians for knighthoods during 1934 and 1935.

3. No. The government does not intend to revert to the practice of conferring knighthoods and peerages because to do so would not be in accord with long-standing custom and policy.

1. Was a government Falcon aircraft despatched to Europe for the main purpose of supplying transportation for the Minister of State for Fitness and Amateur Sport from April 20 to May 1 1, 1977?

2. What was the total cost to the public of Falcon flight 3013, which left Canada, Uplands Airport on April 20 until the time when the Minister finished using the plane and returned to Canada?

3. What were all the flights and the destinations of and passengers carried on Falcon number 503, between the period April 20 and May 11, 1977?

Hon. Barney Danson (Minister of National Defence):

1.

Yes.

2. See reply to Question No. 2,881.

3. See Annex A.

Date and Place Date and Place No. ofof Departure of Arrival PassengersApr 20, 1977 Ottawa Apr 21, 1977 Lahr NilApr 24, 1977 Lahr Apr 24, 1977 Zurich NilApr 25, 1977 Zurich Apr 25, 1977 Vienna 4Apr 27, 1977 Vienna Apr 27, 1977 Rome 7May 2, 1977 Rome May 2, 1977 Frankfurt Main 6May 2, 1977 Frankfurt May 2, 1977 Schonefeld Main (East Berlin) 6May 4, 1977 Schonefeld May 4, 1977 Warsaw 5(East Berlin) May 7, 1977 Warsaw May 7, 1977 Vienna 5May 9, 1977 Vienna May 9, 1977 Budapest 5May 11, 1977 Budapest May 11, 1977 Zurich 5May 11, 1977 Zurich May 11, 1977 Lahr NilUIC- MRS. ROBERT KINGSLEY

1. Was Mrs. Robert Kingsley called in for an interview by the Unemployment Insurance Commission and, if so (a) did the interview take place in Rockland,

Ontario and, if not, in what location did it take place (b) on what date and at what time (c) which of the following benefit control officers from the Ottawa office of the UIC were present or conducting the interview (i) Mr. Jim Miles (ii) Mr. Andre Ethier (iii) Mr. Paul Labelle (iv) Mr. Jim MacDonald (v) Mr. Claude Charron (vi) Mr. Stan Wells (vii) Mr. Jim Harkness (viii) Mr. Brent Scarfe (ix) Mr. Archie Gauthier (x) Mr. Jim Bristol (xi) Mr. John Newfeld (d) was the purpose of the interview to interrogate Mrs. Kingsley on the question of her drawing UIC benefits while supposedly available for work whereas in actual fact she was in the United States on a vacation?

2. Was Mrs. Kingsley accompanied at any time during the interview by her husband, Mr. Robert Kingsley, presently Canada Manpower Regional Manager of Operations working out of Ottawa and, if so (a) did Mr. Kingsley state to the UIC personnel present: "Do you know who I am?" (b) is Mr. Kingsley the same person formerly employed by the UIC as Manager of its Ottawa office, Regional Manager of the UIC Pay Centre in Montreal, etc.?

3. Did Mr. Kingsley in any way attempt to use influence in regard to the manner in which UIC personnel dealt with his wife and, if so, what is being done about this matter?

Hon. Bud Cullen (Minister of Manpower and Immigration):

1. Mrs. Kingsley was directed to attend a routine interview as a result of normal computer selection process and her claim was found in order, (a) Yes; (b) February 28, 1977 at 11:30 a.m.; (c) None; (d) No.

2. Yes; (a) Yes; (b) yes.

3. The investigation is continuing and therefore the commission is not in a position to provide information at this time.

1. Has the government taken any measurements to implement the recommendation of the Gamma report that an externality tax be levied against industries as a means of controlling pollution?

2. Has the government taken any action to encourage communities to develop their own waste system and, if so, in what manner?

3. Has the government provided any incentives to reduce waste at the production level or has the government taken any measures to promote production of goods that create minimum environmental problems?

4. Has the government considered increasing the number of subsidies to recycle companies?

5. Is the government presently providing any research and development grants to recycling industries and, if so (a) to whom (b) in what amounts?

6. Do the same tax advantages exist for recycling industries as those which exist for industries classified as engaged in a manufacturing, mining or processing function and (a) if so, what are they (b) if not, what differences exist?

7. Are freight rates applied to virgin materials less than those applied to recycled materials and, if so, for what reason?

Mr. Ralph E. Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to President of the Privy Council):

I am informed by the Departments of Finance, Fisheries and the Environment, Industry, Trade and Commerce, National Revenue and Transport as follows; 1. An externality tax would impose a levy on the output of pollution. In order to be effective and equitable, such a tax would have to be graduated according to the harm done by various pollutants, which varies by type, quantity, geographical location, and presence or absence of other substances in the atmosphere or water. Of course, continuous monitoring of the output of pollution at the plant, apartment and household level would be necessary in order to determine the tax base. Any implementation of such a tax would have to await detailed knowledge of the harm done by various pollutants and

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the setting up of a complex and undoubtedly costly apparatus for administration. It is not clear that this is the most cost-effective approach to pollution problems.

2. The operation of municipal solid waste management systems in Canada is a municipal or local government responsibility under provincial jurisdiction, and to date there has been no direct Federal Government involvement in such matters, other than at Federal establishments or where federal government wastes are involved. Fisheries and Environment Canada do provide indirect assistance in the form of technology transfers, seminars on waste management and on request acting as an exchange for information and advice on the subject.

3. The Department of Fisheries and the Environment in co-operation with other Departments is actively studying waste reduction at the production level but to date has not provided incentives in this regard.

4. The Department of Fisheries and the Environment has considered subsidies for recycling industries. At this time there is no assurance that subsidies would substantially increase the quantities of material recycled. Other aids to recycling are being considered.

5. As far as the Department of Fisheries and the Environment is concerned, no grants are being provided specifically to recycling industries at present; however, studies are being conducted to provide information which will greatly aid these industries. As far as the Department of Industry, Trade and Commerce, recycling industries are eligible to receive contributions for research and development projects under the Enterprise Development Program. No applications have been received from recycling industries for assistance under the Program at the present time.

6. Certain recycling operations have been classified as manufacturing or producing under the Excise Tax Act. So far, they include recycling of scrap metals, glass, and scrap or reclaimed paper. Recyclers of these goods may acquire production equipment exempt from sales tax to the same extent as other manufacturers or producers.

7. There is no railway policy concerning rate levels on recycled material versus those on raw materials. Generally railways assess rates on the basis of cost, value of service, and market conditions. As an example, rates per ton of scrap iron are normally higher than rates for iron ore. Scrap iron is more valuable than iron ore in the market place and therefore can bear a larger transportation charge. Railways take advantage of cost savings from the large volume movements normally associated with iron ore, and these savings are reflected in rates. Unit or solid trains, reduced switching times, dedicated equipment and other such efficiencies created through economies of scale can reduce costs and can therefore allow a lower level of rates on these movements compared to commodities which cannot take advantage of these cost saving practices.

Order Paper Questions

1. What is the total of all expenses paid by the Department of Supply and Services or any other branch of the government, directly or indirectly, for the honourable Member for Port Arthur while (a) Minister without Portfolio (b) Minister of State for Urban Affairs (c) Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs (d) Minister of Manpower and Immigration (e) President of the Treasury Board?

2. What is the total of all expenses paid for the Minister while serving in the five positions?

Mr. Ralph E. Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to President of the Privy Council):

See reply to Question No. 2,027 answered this day.