October 27, 1976

LIB

Denis Éthier (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Ethier):

It being six o'clock this House stands adjourned until two o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

At six o'clock the House adjourned, without question put, pursuant to Standing Order.

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Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

Amendments have been approved by the House, the pool is now fully effective and is sanctioned by law. This is a subject we considered earlier, this spring, in debate.

Other changes include the new quota system, the block shipping system, the producer-election of the advisory committee to the Wheat Board which has now been formalized by an amendment to the Canadian Wheat Board Act, a poll among rapeseed producers about the preferred method of rapeseed marketing, the purchase of 6,000 grain hopper cars for the exclusive use of grain movement in western Canada, a boxcar repair program, the Mants Report on boxcar allocation procedures, the appointment of port co-ordinators for Thunder Bay and Vancouver, and the Snavely Commission on the cost of transporting grain by rail, and the Hall Commission on grain handling and transportation.

I could not leave this extensive, important and impressive list of achievements relating to western agriculture without referring specifically to a measure which members on the other side of the House would prefer to forget because they fought it every step of the way. They know it will be to their continual discredit that on the floor of the House of Commons they battled the Western Grain Stabilization Plan, which was a plan brought forward by the government in an attempt to alleviate the effects of those recurring "bust years" in grain incomes, a plan which has been well received by grain producers and farm organizations, and one which the opposition knows very well has received a warm response from western Canadian farmers. They would prefer not to see it on the statute books because they know it will stand there as a credit to this administration, and to their discredit, because they tried to block it and prevent it becoming law.

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An hon. Member:

Tell us about operation LIFT.

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Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

The hon. member across the way likes to refer to operation LIFT. I have noticed something very curious about the opposition-

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John (Jack) Henry Horner

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Horner:

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, we are dealing with Bill C-2. I have sat here with a great deal of patience listening to the hon. member making an election speech as though an election were coming up, reciting all the Liberals have done. I believe that at this point, so early in the session, some degree of relevancy to the subject matter before us for consideration should be adhered to. I can well understand that as the session proceeds into an election year, maybe in 1977, members opposite will want to trot out all the little goodies for which they have been responsible, and send their speeches home to their constituents. But surely after only a few days of the session have elapsed, we can stick to the legislation before the House.

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LIB

Denis Éthier (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Ethier):

1 think the hon. member might have strayed a bit, but he was referring to the bill-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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LIB

Denis Éthier (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Ethier):

-and he should be allowed to continue.

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Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

On the point of order, Mr. Speaker, I wish the hon. member for Crowfoot (Mr. Horner) had been in the House earlier today to hear the speeches of his hon. friends in connection with this bill. Most of what they had to say had nothing to do with the measure at all.

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John (Jack) Henry Horner

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Horner:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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LIB

Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

They referred to a number of extraneous matters, and the comments I have put on the record deal with the western grains industry, with legislation relating to grain, and with many of the points which members opposite raised, especially the hon. member for Saskatoon-Biggar who tried to convey to the country the impression that somehow there had been no activity affecting western agriculture. I believe the last I put on the record a few moments ago completely answered the point the hon. member for Saskatoon-Biggar was trying to make, and demonstrated that western agriculture has received a great deal of attention in the House of Commons, and will continue to receive attention.

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Some hon. Members:

Get back to the bill.

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An hon. Member:

Otto's little boy. Did Otto approve that speech?

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John (Jack) Henry Horner

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Horner:

Filibustering the first piece of legislation from that side.

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LIB

Denis Éthier (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Ethier):

Order. I think the hon. gentleman should be allowed to continue his speech.

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LIB

Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

I can understand the sensitivity of hon. gentlemen across the way when it comes to the subject of western agriculture because they know, as I have demonstrated just now, that the list of achievements which I have placed on record is an impressive one. Canadian farmers regard it as impressive, and members opposite would rather not have that list repeated because it demonstrates their complete ineffectiveness. They would prefer not to have these things on record because they know it inures to their continuing discredit in western Canada.

Bill C-2-

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

-expands upon a principle which has worked effectively over the past few years, with some amendments, in the interest of western agriculture. It is a principle which farmers generally would like to see extended to other aspects of agriculture, and the Minister of Agriculture is now responding to that concern.

Hon. members across the way have made a number of comments suggesting that the Minister of Agriculture should listen carefully to what goes on in committee and accept suggestions for modification. I have read Bill C-2 and believe it to be sound, but one thing is clear about the position taken by the Minister of Agriculture when it comes to the proceedings of the standing committee. The minister is very receptive to ideas which come forward. I am sure if hon. gentlemen

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realistic and positive way to overcome the very considerable difficulty they were experiencing at that time.

What has been done in the period since those dark days of crisis that western agriculture was facing? I think of such things as expanded credit facilities and the long-term Government of Canada guarantees for the Canadian Wheat Board which have assisted that particular institution in western Canada to pursue more vigorously and effectively world markets for Canadian grains.

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Thomas Gordon Towers

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Towers:

Don't forget LIFT.

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Ralph Goodale (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. Goodale:

It is significant too that in that period, beginning in the early seventies, the Canadian Wheat Board was encouraged by (She government and the minister responsible to pursue vigorously as we in Canada had never done before international markets for barley and feed grains. We are now a significant exporter of those particular grains and it is because of those efforts in the early seventies to win, keep and service those markets that we now have these very important markets for western Canadian feed grain producers.

We have as well the annual commitment by the government of Canada of $10 million toward a new market development fund to enhance grain marketing opportunities at home and abroad. Farmers and their organizations, as well as others, have taken advantage of this fund to develop and find new marketing opportunities.

We have as well new research facilities. I know my hon. friends opposite are very interested in this subject and we have joined in discussions on this question in the Standing Committee on Agriculture previously. Obviously research is an important matter in the field of agriculture and in this area we have seen some important developments, such as the new crop science division at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon which is doing significant work in the field of agricultural research, in addition to the normal research facilities of the Canadian Department of Agriculture. I think as well of the new protein-oil-starch pilot plant in Saskatoon which will shortly be doing important new work in developing new ways of processing our grains and oil seeds.

Then there is the two-price wheat program which was the subject of debate in previous sessions of this parliament. This was an important measure which, long after the hubbub of debate in the House subsided, has established very clearly its relevance and has paid dividends to western Canadian agriculture.

In the same period that we have been working on these matters, we have also substantially increased ttyg level of available cash advances to the western grain industry and have improved the ways in which those advances can be repaid. This, of course, refers to the amendments discussed in this House and approved by the House of Commons in previous sessions of parliament, under which legislation the available level of cash advances was increased to $15,000, with the repayment terms for farmers being made more broad and flexible, so that if farmers wished to avail themselves of the legislation cash advances could be more tailored to their

particular needs and to the way they ran their farming operations. That is probably a small, technical change which has taken place during the last few years, but an important one, one that shows the general upgrading and improvement of facilities available to western agriculture.

Of additional interest are the improvements in the timing of Canadian Wheat Board final payments and adjustment cheques. Often times in the past it seemed that these cheques would come at an unfortunate time, or at least not at the right time so far as the planning of a farmer's income and tax position was concerned. Amendments to the Canadian Wheat Board Act have corrected that particular situation and prevented the rather unfortunate development which occurred a couple of years ago when some farmers were perhaps caught by surprise and received two final payments in the one taxation year. In some cases this served to defeat their tax planning. It is, of course, the intention to make that income position as certain as it possibly can be, and changes in the Wheat Board Act have been passed by this parliament to deal with that particular aspect. I think as well of the implementation of the deferred cash ticket option for grain producers on the delivery of their grain so that, again, they can exercise greater control over their income position.

In another area I would mention the development which began to take place four years ago with the provision of reliable production and marketing information for producers to be placed in their hands in the spring, well in advance of seeding time. It is important that a farmer should be able to take advantage of that information to plan his production and marketing for the coming year. Because of a practice which has been implemented by the minister responsible for the Wheat Board, with the co-operation of the Department of Agriculture and the Wheat Board, information is compiled, prepared, and distributed to each farmer in the prairie region early in March each year so that he can have the best information which is available to production and marketing experts, and farmers can them make their own decisions based on the material they have.

Determined efforts have been made to remove the longstanding inequities which have existed in our system of domestic feed grains marketing in the past. This has been the subject of extensive and sometimes heated debate in the House, and it is important to remember that the government has now for many months been endeavouring to find that important national consensus as to the proper shape of a domestic feed grains marketing policy which will, with equity and effectiveness, meet the needs of grain producers and others engaged in agriculture in both the west and the east.

I think of another achievement which is significant in the establishment of a separate marketing pool for malting barley effective for the crop year 1975-76. This again has been the subject of discussion in the House of Commons earlier in the session.

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