October 18, 1976

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Some hon. Members:

No.

October 18, 1976

Oral Questions

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   SUGGESTED APOLOGY TO DR. GALBRAITH FOR REMARKS BY MINISTER OF FINANCE-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT

PC

John Wise

Progressive Conservative

Mr. John Wise (Elgin):

Mr. Speaker, my question was to be directed to the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce, but in his absence I will direct my question to the former minister. It deals with the status of the Canadian beef industry.

In view of the obvious reluctance or, indeed, failure or refusal of the Minister of Agriculture to implement a tempo-, rary embargo on Australian and New Zealand beef and veal imports-but rather, the government has opted for import permit controls-will the minister assure the House, and particularly the Canadian beef industry, that beef imports from those sources will cease or at least be reduced substantially? This is a very important question because comparing boatload-ings from September to September from that source to Canada they appear to be up some 61 per cent. Can the minister comment on that situation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Before the minister does comment, it should be made clear that he would be doing so as the Acting Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce and not as the former minister.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT
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LIB

Donald Campbell Jamieson (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Donald C. Jamieson (Acting Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the hon. member that the question is a very important one, and because it is and because it involves a number of different countries, including those to which the hon. member made reference, I do not think it would be appropriate at this time to go into it in detail, other than to say that all the aspects of the question are being examined both by the Minister of Agriculture and other concerned ministers. I hope that there will be some clarification within a very short time.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT
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PC

John Wise

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Wise:

I wonder if the former minister would be kind enough to respond to my supplementary question. Can the minister confirm or deny that recent changes in the method of issuing import permits have actually made it easier for the importation of beef? This action must be viewed as an indication that even greater imports will result.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT
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LIB

Donald Campbell Jamieson (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Jamieson:

On the specifics of the question, certainly the intention was not to allow more beef in, as the hon. member has suggested, but to restrict imports. However, as I say, I believe the total picture will become clearer in the next few days as all of the necessary information with regard to shipments in transit and various related questions becomes known.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN BEEF IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA-EFFECT OF CHANGE IN METHOD OF ISSUING IMPORT PERMIT
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AGRICULTURE

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Herbert Thomas (Bert) Hargrave

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bert Hargrave (Medicine Hat):

Mr. Speaker, my question should normally go to the Minister of Agriculture. In his absence perhaps it should be directed to the acting minister or his parliamentary secretary.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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An hon. Member:

Nobody is there.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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An hon. Member:

Here is the minister now.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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PC

Herbert Thomas (Bert) Hargrave

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hargrave:

I have a question for the late Minister of Agriculture.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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PC

Herbert Thomas (Bert) Hargrave

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hargrave:

My question is also with regard to imports of meat from Australia and New Zealand and with particular reference to the minister's response to my question in this House on Friday in which he said very clearly, and I quote: "As a result of government action no beef or veal will be allowed into Canada after Sunday night, October 17, unless by permit".

In view of the very real possibility that the use of this individual permit device could result in increased imports from Australia and New Zealand, will the minister now clearly indicate if he intends to use this permit device to restrict imports from Australia and New Zealand into Canada?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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LIB

Eugene Whelan (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. E. F. Whelan (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, we certainly cannot be a dumping ground for beef from any country which has been denied the opportunity to ship beef into the United States. We have to make sure that we take similar action so that any beef which comes in, as of midnight last night, would have to have a permit. The quotas are being worked out and will be announced shortly, if there are to be quotas for beef, for instance, from New Zealand and Australia. I understand that the quotas the United States has placed on Canada, if they have not been announced as of today, will be announced later in a more firm type of statement than that which was made last week. Our officials met with United States officials last week to try to work out a proper program between Canada and the United States. It will be on beef and veal; ours will be on beef and veal. Live cattle will move between the two countries freely because they are not affected by the import quotas the United States has placed on our beef.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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Herbert Thomas (Bert) Hargrave

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hargrave:

A supplementary question. In view of the fact that these imports from down under continue to have access to our Canadian markets at price differentials well in excess of the "six cent under" agreement and in view of the fact that our 1976 imports from down under will amount to 10 pounds to 11 pounds per capita, which is about 10 per cent of our total consumption, does the minister not feel it is about time he showed the Canadian cattle industry that he is con-

cerned and able to act on behalf of this industry as the secretary for agriculture in the United States is apparently able to do?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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LIB

Eugene Whelan (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Whelan:

Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. member should remember that last year 1 did act on behalf of the beef producers of Canada and did establish import quotas from the United States and import quotas from Australia and New Zealand. If you remember, there was strong representation for me to lift those. I did lift them last December. We did have a supply-management program that we were trying to run for Canada and now the secretary of agriculture for the United States has seen fit to try to run a supply-management program in his own country.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   BEEF IMPORTS-REQUEST FOR ACTION TO REDUCE IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA
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THE CANADIAN ECONOMY

October 18, 1976