October 18, 1976

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker, I have just been given more recent results and I know hon. gentlemen opposite want to hear them. In Ottawa-Carleton with 322 polls heard from, the Conservative candidate now has 23,612 votes, the Liberal candidate has 12,979 and the NDP candidate 8,748. So we sing:

Happy birthday to you,

Happy birthday to you,

Happy birthday dear Pierre,

Happy birthday to you!

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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Gérald Laniel (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. I am sure the hon. member would not want to complicate the job of the interpreters so I would hope that he would return to his text.

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George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I assure hon. members-

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Gérald Laniel (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. The Minister of State is rising on a point of order.

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Iona Campagnolo (Minister of State (Fitness and Amateur Sport))

Liberal

Mrs. Campagnolo:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of privilege. I was delighted to hear the "happy birthday" of the hon. gentleman from Prince Edward-Hastings, and since it is my birthday too I will take it as a great honour from him because there will be another woman in the House. We on this side will

welcome her because we know that she is going to put a lot of fire under some of the old wood.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. In view of the fact that the hon. member repeated the figures for Ottawa-Carleton, for the benefit of those who came in late would he not also repeat the figures for St. John's West?

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George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker, I am so glad that I have been asked that question, because in Newfoundland the results are as follows-

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Gérald Laniel (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. The hon. member for St. Denis is rising on a point of order.

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George Albert Proud

Mr. Prud'homme:

Mr. Speaker, 1 would not want to spoil the celebration of the hon. gentlemen opposite, but I hope that the hon. member will remember what one Mr. St. Laurent, a great Prime Minister, used to say, that he would rather win a general election than win a by-election.

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George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Well, we just take it election by election. First of all we win the by-elections and then we win the general election. As my colleagues around me point out, it is obviously a great night for the nobodies. The latest results from Newfoundland are as follows: Crosbie, Conservative, 9,939; Mayo, NDP, 7,152; Innes, Liberal, 3,755.

Now, Mr. Speaker, having dealt with the really important matters this evening 1 Will just speak very briefly on what led to these electoral disasters on the part of the government. At the end of the two day meeting of the Liberal members of parliament on September 8 and 9 the Prime Minister (Mr. Trudeau) was asked by the press what assessment he had made as to why the popularity of the government had sunk so low. He gave one reason and one reason only. He said it was simply because of the people's disenchantment with the antiinflation program which he said, to use his own words, was "trampling on people's expectations".

In making such a reply the Prime Minister either had not listened to his members of parliament or, if he had, he had paid no attention to what they said, because the Prime Minister heard from his constituents, Liberal members heard from theirs, and we heard from ours exactly the same story, and that was that the people are becoming increasingly disenchanted with this government for two main reasons. By far the most important of these reasons is the Prime Minister's increasing habit of disregarding the wishes of the people.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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George Harris Hees

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

He has had every way of learning what these wishes were because they were told him by his own members, by members of the opposition, and by opinion polls. Instead of listening to the wishes of the people he has initiated policies that are largely his own views. This growing elitism and paternalism on the part of the Prime Minister has infuriated a

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steadily growing number of Canadians, as expressed very clearly in the results of the two by-elections that have been held today.

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Gérald Laniel (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. 1 have been informed that there might be a disposition not to see the clock because of the fact that there is only one vote tonight. This can only be done by unanimous consent. Is there unanimous consent not to see the clock and to proceed with the vote at 9:45?

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Does the House agree to vote at 9:45 instead of 9:30?

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Prosper Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. Boulanger:

Mr. Speaker, I am not in the habit of casting objections but, given the circumstances, 1 think 1 shall do so since my hon. colleague does not seem very much interested in the Speech from the Throne. Instead of speaking to the motion, he finds nothing better than reporting election results.

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Walter David Baker (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baker (Grenville-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, on the same point of order may 1 say that the hon. member for Prince Edward-Hastings (Mr. Hees) was really only clearing his throat as he approached the substance of his speech. I hope you would put the question again because there was a consultation with the Government whip, with the House Leader for the New Democratic Party, and with the House Leader of the Social Credit Party for the purpose of permitting this debate to continue for the reasons given by Mr. Speaker. I think that despite the results of the elections, which were not decided in this House except indirectly, it would be a matter of common courtesy on the point of order raised by my friend to allow this matter to go ahead.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I should just like to confirm that there were these consultations. 1 think it is a matter of courtesy that we should agree to let the member continue his speech.

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Léonel Beaudoin

Social Credit

Mr. Beaudoin:

Mr. Speaker, it is true that consultations have been held to allow the hon. member for Prince Edward-Hastings (Mr. Hees) to go on with his very interesting speech. Therefore, we would like to continue until 9:45.

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October 18, 1976