December 13, 1974

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS [English] REGULATIONS AND OTHER STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE IN THIRD REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE


[English] PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS On the order: Presenting Reports from Standing and Special Committees: Second report of Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections-Mr. Blaker. December 4, 1974-Mr. McCleave (Joint Chairman of the Standing Joint Committee on Regulations and other Statutory Instruments): That the report of the Standing Joint Committee on Regulations and other Statutory Instruments, presented as the third report, in English, on Thursday, November 7, 1974, and as the fourth report, in French, on Tuesday, December 3, 1974, be concurred in. [Editor's Note: For the text of the above Report see today's Votes and Proceedings] Mr. Speaker: This may be the order of the day for discussion later on and therefore will stand until orders of the day. THE ROYAL ASSENT MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE Mr. Speaker: I have the honour to inform the House that a message has been received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate passed Bill S-18, an act respecting International Air Transport Association, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. [English] Mr. Speaker: I have the honour to inform the House that the following communication has been received from the Senate: FINANCE TABLING OF REPORT OF SUPERINTENDENT OF INSURANCE ON SMALL LOAN COMPANIES FOR YEAR ENDED DECEMBER 31, 1973 Ottawa, December 13, 1974 Hon. John N. Turner (Minister of Finance): Mr. Speaker, I would like to table the report of the Superintendent of Insurance on small loans companies and moneylenders for the year ended December 31, 1973. Sir, I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency the Governor General will proceed to the Senate chamber today, the 13th December, at 11.45 a.m. for the purpose of giving royal assent to certain bills.



I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, Andre Garneau Brigadier General Administrative Secretary to the Governor General PROPOSED REFERENCE OF ACTIONS OF MEMBERS OF PRESS GALLERY TO STANDING COMMITTEE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION UNDER S O. 43 Mr. C. Douglas (Bruce): I rise under the provisions of Standing Order 43 on a matter of urgent and pressing necessity.


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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

December 13, 1974

Actions of Members of the Press

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LIB

Crawford Douglas

Liberal

Mr. Douglas (Bruce):

I hope you keep it up.

Following the comments made last night by the hon. member for Temiscamingue (Mr. Caouette) I move, seconded by the hon. member for Kenora-Rainy River (Mr. Reid)-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Crawford Douglas

Liberal

Mr. Douglas (Bruce):

Would some of you fellows like to do it? The motion reads:

That the questions and accusations raised by the hon. member for Temiscamingue be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections so that comparisons may be made in the attitude and coverage they received by the parliamentary press gallery contrasted with the attitude and coverage given by the parliamentary press gallery to charges recently made by an hon. member of the provincial house of Ontario regarding some members of this House.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. How could the hon. member for Kenora-Rainy River (Mr. Reid) second the motion if he is not in his seat? Oh, touche, Monsieur l'Orateur, he got there while I was speaking.

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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I looked in that direction when I heard the name of the hon. member who was seconding the motion and just as he was seconding the motion he was leaving his seat, but I thought he was there long enough to comply with the Rule.

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Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

Would Your Honour repeat the motion? We did not quite catch it as the hon. member was interrupted from time to time.

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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member for Bruce (Mr. Douglas) moved, pursuant to Standing Order 43, a matter of urgent and pressing necessity:

That the questions and accusations raised by the hon. member for Temiscamingue (Mr. Caouette) be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections so that comparisons may be made in the attitude and coverage they received by the parliamentary press gallery be contrasted with the attitude and coverage given by the parliamentary press gallery to charges recently made by an hon. member of the provincial House of Ontario regarding some members of this hon. House.

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An hon. Member:

Is that urgent?

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An hon. Member:

It is perpetual.

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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I have to say that since the matter casts reflections on the practices of some members of the House, and because it is a recent allegation and was raised again last night on a question of privilege, it does have some immediacy. It certainly has importance. Although it may be classified as important, it could be raised in other ways perhaps if hon. members wanted to take objection or wanted to proceed by way of a question of privilege. I have to confess to some reservations about the nature of the pressing necessity and the setting aside of the order of business in order to debate a matter of that sort. In order to be consistent with other rulings I have made, I must say I have doubts that the motion is of pressing necessity.

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PRIVILEGE

PC

Roch La Salle

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Roch La Salle (Joliette):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. I would like to point out that I will readily support the motion in view of what the hon. member for Temiscamingue (Mr. Caouette) said very clearly in his speech last night and I quote:

I wish to say that after two or three days, and after having seen the photograph of the hon. member for Joliette in the newspapers, I asked myself whether perhaps he himself had not helped to pay for the cost of his personal publicity in some of the newspapers of the province, whether it be French or English newspapers.

I feel, Mr. Speaker, that his insinuation is unacceptable in my case. I trust the House will ask the hon. member to be more specific and make his accusations in the public forum and not take shelter behind parliamentary immunity.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS [English] REGULATIONS AND OTHER STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE IN THIRD REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE
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Sub-subtopic:   MR. LA SALLE-REFERENCE TO REMARKS OF HON. MEMBER FOR TEMISCAMINGUE
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James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member brought up the question of privilege. If other hon. members wish to contribute to the debate, it might perhaps be preferable to delay a final decision and consider this very important matter on Monday.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS [English] REGULATIONS AND OTHER STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE IN THIRD REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE
Subtopic:   PRIVILEGE
Sub-subtopic:   MR. LA SALLE-REFERENCE TO REMARKS OF HON. MEMBER FOR TEMISCAMINGUE
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Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

I would just point out, Mr. Speaker, that the hon. member for Joliette (Mr. La Salle) having risen now, it might be presumed that he has reserved the right to bring up the matter and move a motion, perhaps on Monday or Tuesday. In that case, he would have to send Your Honour notice. By rising as he has now in respect of the allegation which he has charged appear to have been made against him, he has, I believe taken the proper course, and has reserved his right to make a motion later.

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Subtopic:   PRIVILEGE
Sub-subtopic:   MR. LA SALLE-REFERENCE TO REMARKS OF HON. MEMBER FOR TEMISCAMINGUE
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James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. As I have endeavoured to indicate to the hon. member, I take it he has raised a question of privilege at this time personally. I would prefer to reserve on it. This is a matter of some importance and I could perhaps make a decision on Monday. If other members want to make a contribution to the point they might be prepared to do so on Monday.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS [English] REGULATIONS AND OTHER STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE IN THIRD REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE
Subtopic:   PRIVILEGE
Sub-subtopic:   MR. LA SALLE-REFERENCE TO REMARKS OF HON. MEMBER FOR TEMISCAMINGUE
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December 13, 1974