December 6, 1974

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS

NDP

Reginald Cyril Symes

New Democratic Party

Mr. Cyril Symes (Sault Ste. Marie):

Mr. Speaker, I rise under the provisions of Standing Order 43 to seek leave of the House to move a motion of urgent and pressing necessity. In view of a letter made public this morning in Alberta from the federal Minister of the Environment (Mrs. Sauve) to the Alberta government in which she states there is the likelihood of major environmental damage as a result of the Syncrude Tar Sands project, I move seconded by the hon. member for Brant (Mr. Blackburn):

That the Minister of the Environment table in this House all relevant correspondence and environmental studies on the impact of the Syncrude project on the environment.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY SYNCRUDE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The House has heard the terms of the motion. It being proposed pursuant to Standing Order 43, it cannot be debated without the unanimous consent of the House. Is there unanimous consent?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY SYNCRUDE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY SYNCRUDE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION
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Some hon. Members:

No.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY SYNCRUDE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION
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LIB

James Alexander Jerome (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

There not being unanimous consent, the motion cannot be debated.

[DOT] (mo)

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   RELATING TO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY SYNCRUDE-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

LABOUR CONDITIONS

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to address a question to the Minister of Labour arising from his statement that he had returned the contribution made by the SIU toward his campaign because, and I think I am quoting him, he was aware generally that the union was the subject of controversy. I should like to ask him whether by that phrase "the subject of controversy" he had in mind the charges of violence and intimidation-the complaints made to his predecessor in 1972 to which reference was made in the House yesterday, and other charges?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. John C. Munro (Minister of Labour):

No, it was

not because of any reference to that matter. It was as the result of being involved in mediation efforts on the Great Lakes during the summer, although the SIU was not itself connected with that particular dispute. I became aware that there were internal disputes within the union-I had been aware of it for some time. There were law suits going on, contested elections and so on. I was aware that there was internal union strife of one kind and another in connection with the leadership.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

The minister said yesterday that his officials had made him aware of complaints submitted to his predecessor in 1972 accompanied by affidavits. Is he now saying that he was definitely not aware of these complaints about intimidation and violence at the time he returned the contribution?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. Munro (Hamilton East):

No, I am not saying that. I am saying it was some time during the summer when I became aware that prior to my being minister there had been a complaint or complaints with respect to the SIU. I have checked this out since the hon. gentleman's question yesterday and apparently it was one complaint backed up by several affidavits. Someone alleged he had been beaten. That is the matter to which I referred when I said the officials had recommended that, first, the complaint be taken to the police, and, second, to the watchdog committee of the CLC. There was one complaint, action had been taken some time ago, nothing further came of it and I thought the action taken by the officials in my department was appropriate. So that matter was not prominent in my mind at the time. I cannot tell the Leader of the Opposition the precise moment at which this information was conveyed to me but it was some time during the summer or the fall.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

I gather the minister is saying that his officials had informed him of this prior to the decision being taken to return the cheque.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. Munro (Hamilton East):

Might I clarify the matter? I thought this had happened a long time ago; appropriate action had been taken, so it did not appear to me there was anything improper about the SIU. The reason I came to the decision I did was that I felt the union was involved in controversy and if someone wished to do so he might say, at a later stage, that I was compromised by reason of the acceptance of a contribution, even though such a charge would not be valid. So I returned it. Obviously, from that point of view I might as well not

December 6, 1974

Oral Questions

have done so because people are still trying to attribute improper motives to me.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-KNOWLEDGE OF MINISTER OF LABOUR OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST UNION WHEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION RETURNED
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ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-POSSIBLE WARNING TO PRIME MINISTER, CABINET MINISTERS NOT ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM UNION

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, granted that the minister felt that the action taken regarding the complaint in 1972 was appropriate at the time, but did it not occur to the minister that his department might have to deal with this matter of alleged violence and intimidation in the SIU, and that consequently this would involve a potential conflict of interest, with the possibility of the government having to deal with it? In view of the minister's knowledge of this complaint and, presumably, his awareness that the government might have to deal with it eventually, did the minister inform the Prime Minister of his decision and his position, with a view to warning other cabinet colleagues that it might be important for the government to have to deal with this whole question at arm's length, so that they would be warned against accepting contributions from the SIU in the event that the matter did develop further?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-POSSIBLE WARNING TO PRIME MINISTER, CABINET MINISTERS NOT ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM UNION
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. John C. Munro (Minister of Labour):

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated to the Leader of the Official Opposition yesterday, no, I did not take it up with the Prime Minister. The position I have always taken is that I have assumed, and I think correctly, that members of parliament on both sides of the House at election time do receive contributions, and that this does not constitute a conflict of interest. The contributions come from various sources. I am sure that the Leader of the Official Opposition's own party receives contributions from corporations and goodness knows who else during the course of an election which may involve positions on policy that are going to be taken later. I have yet to hear any member of the House suggest to the Leader of the Official Opposition or to the Conservative party that the positions they take on policy matters once the election is over are in any way affected by the contributions they have received. We give them sufficient credit, which they are not apparently prepared to give me, for basic integrity in this regard.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-POSSIBLE WARNING TO PRIME MINISTER, CABINET MINISTERS NOT ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM UNION
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-POSSIBLE WARNING TO PRIME MINISTER, CABINET MINISTERS NOT ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM UNION
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, without the minister thinking that I am attacking his integrity, I should like to ask him whether he considers it appropriate for a Minister of Labour to accept a contribution from a union about which complaints have been made in the department, as the minister knows, concerning violence and intimidation. Does the minister feel it is wrong for me to question him as to whether he did not feel that there was a potential conflict of interest there, and as to whether, in view of that, he did not take the matter to the Prime Minister so as to warn other colleagues who might find themselves in an embarrassing position?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SEAFARERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION-POSSIBLE WARNING TO PRIME MINISTER, CABINET MINISTERS NOT ACCEPT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM UNION
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December 6, 1974