June 23, 1972

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Obviously we are going to continue the debate and we might as well accept that fact. There are a number of supplementaries. Hon. members will be recognized for that purpose, but I would hope the questions will be for the purpose of seeking information and the responses will be for the purpose of giving information, and that neither will be for the purpose of embarking on debate. The hon. member for Peace River.

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PC

Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. W. Baldwin (Peace River):

Mr. Speaker, my question is seeking information. In considering this matter would the Acting Prime Minister not give consideration to the suggestions made by a very independent and objective witness, the Auditor General, who in his last report referred to the fact that parliamentary control over expenditures is being steadily eroded?

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NDP

David Orlikow

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Orlikow (Winnipeg North):

Mr. Speaker, in light of the answer of the Acting Prime Minister that the committees are doing the work, would he agree, when the government is looking at this question, to look at the experience of the Standing Committee on Broadcasting Films and Assistance to the Arts which deals with the estimates of the Secretary of State amounting to almost $1 billion? These estimates did not get more than six to eight hours consideration in total.

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An hon. Member:

Whose fault is that?

June 23, 1972

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PC

John Patrick (Pat) Nowlan

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. P. Nowlan (Annapolis Valley):

Mr. Speaker, I want to direct the attention of the Acting Prime Minister to the problems which confronted members of the Standing Committee on National Resources and Public Works. Because of many conflicts the Minister of Public Works appeared before that committee for only two hours on the day before the time for study expired under the rules. That is another committee which should be looked at.

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PC

Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Woolliams:

I wonder if I could ask a

supplementary?

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Hon. members will appreciate that we are getting pretty far from the question period. This is just an ordinary, or perhaps extraordinary, debate during the question period. I will call on the hon. member for Calgary North for a supplementary and then I will recognize the hon. member for York South.

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REQUEST THAT ESTIMATES OF SOME DEPARTMENTS BE CONSIDERED BY HOUSE

PC

Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Eldon M. Woolliams (Calgary North):

Mr. Speaker, I do not accept the Acting Prime Minister's statement that we agreed with the new rules. If he checks the speeches made by myself and others on this side he will see that we asked that the opposition have the right to request during each session of Parliament that four or five departments be brought in so that the pursestrings of the nation would still be controlled by Parliament. Would the Acting Prime Minister accept that suggestion and make a recommendation to the appropriate committee?

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I know that these suggestions will command the attention of the House leader and the committee that looks after procedures of the House. I have no hesitation in saying that I do not want a repetition of what happened last night and I do not think anyone here would. I believe we have made great advances in the consideration of the estimates. I reject the suggestion put forward that the House does not have-

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

-greater control than it ever had before.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. This is debate. The hon. member for York South.

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PC

Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

Is that why you have only got five bills for Royal Assent?

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COMMUNICATIONS

BELL CANADA RATE INCREASES-REQUEST THAT APPELLANT, DR. LLOYD BROWN-JOHN, BE PROVIDED WITH COPY OF TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Lewis (York South):

Mr. Speaker, may I address a question to the Minister of Communications. Some time ago I asked him some questions about the increase in rates granted Bell Canada and drew his atten-

Inquiries of the Ministry

tion to the fact that a gentleman in Windsor was appealing those rates. May I ask the minister whether he has completed his study of the various documents filed with the Canadian Transport Commission and whether he has given consideration to assisting this Canadian citizen in his appeal against these rate increases?

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LIB

Robert Douglas George Stanbury (Minister of Communications)

Liberal

Hon. Robert Stanbury (Minister of Communications):

Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for his patience. I hope to be able to conclude next week what action, if any, I should recommend on this matter, and perhaps I can convey that to him then. As far as the next part of the question is concerned, I have advised Dr. Lloyd Brown-John that I have a copy of the transcript of the hearings of the Canadian Transport Commission which he is most welcome to use as he wishes and to copy whatever parts of it he may require.

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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

I am not sure that I am patient; I am just not entirely awake, I suspect. May I ask the minister whether he offered to give Dr. Brown-John a copy of the transcript or was it an offer for him to come and study it here? I am asking the question because I think this Canadian ought to be given every possible assistance.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The first part of the hon. member's question is acceptable but the second part is, of course, an explanation or representation. The minister might reply to the first part of the question.

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June 23, 1972