June 23, 1972

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Well, all I can say it that last night the Prime Minister left in disgust over what was happening.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I would hope that we would not resume at eleven o'clock the debate that we abandoned at three o'clock this morning. Perhaps the right hon. gentleman might like to ask his question.

June 23, 1972

Inquiries of the Ministry

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, I am not easily provoked to answer, but when remarks like that are made I have to do so.

Would the Acting Prime Minister bring to the attention of the government the submission of the rules, particularly with reference to the examination of expenditures, to the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization to the end that the rules that were in effect that permitted a proper examination by Parliament will be restored?

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, as the right hon. gentleman is very much aware, the procedures were changed a few years ago to permit the examination in detail of the estimates of the various departments in committees of the House.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

They have probably received more careful and detailed examination than at any previous time. This has meant that in the House we could devote more attention to other subjects. In addition, the opposition parties have had a number of allotted days. Whether they have used them to the best advantage is for them to judge, not for us.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

As a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, after this recent experience, which is quite contrary to that described by the minister, will he have consideration given to making this institution once more responsible for the preservation of responsibility with respect to the vast expenditures that are being undertaken?

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre. Order, please. I apologize to the hon. member. The hon. member for Cape Breton-East Richmond is rising on a point of order.

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Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis:

Mr. Speaker, my point of order arises from the Acting Prime Minister's reference to what the committees can do with the estimates. I refer to the meetings of the finance committee last week when the chairman of that committee ran the committee in such a way that he maintained the privilege of ruling on his own decisions.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The hon. member cannot cast reflections on a chairman of a committee or on any member in any capacity. In any event I suggest to the right hon. gentleman, to the Acting Prime Minister and to the hon. member for Cape Breton-East Richmond that this is debate. For the moment I will recognize the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre who has a supplementary question.

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SUGGESTED REVIEW OF WORK OF COMMITTEES ON ESTIMATES

NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a supplementary question to the Acting Prime Minister arising out of his answer to the right hon. member for Prince Albert a moment ago. In view of the reliance the government seems to place on the consideration that is given to estimates in committees, will the government consider the possibility of reviewing the work on estimates that is done in committees to make sure that a more satisfactory accomplishment of our job in this area is achieved?

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I would be very happy to pass along these suggestions from the right hon. member, the former Leader of the Opposition, and from the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre. We are very anxious to improve the rules of the House. All parties, however, agreed with the procedures that we are now operating under.

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

After the experience of last night I think our procedures could be improved.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

Therefore I have no hesitation in saying we would like to improve these procedures. But I do reiterate what I said before, and I am sure the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre will admit it, that the estimates have received at least as careful consideration and even more careful consideration in committees as under the previous procedures.

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June 23, 1972