June 13, 1972

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Has the hon. member leave to withdraw the bill?

June 13, 1972

Labour Conditions

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL BILL
Subtopic:   MEASURE RESPECTING CORRECTIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed. ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

Order discharged and bill withdrawn.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL BILL
Subtopic:   MEASURE RESPECTING CORRECTIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM
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MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 LABOUR CONDITIONS LATEST UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES

NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Lewis (York South):

Mr. Speaker, I ask leave, seconded by the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), to move the adjournment of the House under Standing Order 26 for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely, the unemployment figures released today which show the utter failure of government programs to improve the situation and which require the immediate introduction of new policies and programs to create jobs if the situation is not to become more desperate, particularly for our young people, in the months and years ahead.

Topic:   MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 LABOUR CONDITIONS LATEST UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member for York South has served the necessary notice required under Standing Order 26. This has given me an opportunity to consider the several procedural aspects of the matter which the hon. member feels should be brought forward by way of a debate under this rule.

There is no doubt that the question proposed for consideration by the hon. member is of major concern to the members of the House and to the country at large. The Chair, however, has to make a ruling in terms of the procedural acceptability of the proposed topic in relation to the requirements of Standing Order 26. In passing it should be noted that the question proposed by the hon. member for York South has been before the House on a number of occasions during the current session. I would refer the House to one such occasion which occurred when the hon. member for York South moved a subamendment to the address debate on February 18, 1972.

My main reason, however, for being unable to find that this is an appropriate subject for an emergency debate at this time lies in the specific requirements of Standing Order 26 itself. As hon. members know, in determining the matter of urgent consideration the Chair must under section 5, take into account the probability of the matter being brought before the House within a reasonable time by other means. Today is June 13. During the current supply period there are 14 sitting days. Of those 14 days, under the Standing Orders there still remain seven days to be allotted to the business of supply and there remains also the final day of the budget debate today. Therefore, between now and the conclusion of the current supply period more than half of the time available to the House must be ordered for debate on topics to be brought to our attention by hon. members. That being the case, it would seem that there will be ample opportunity for this important matter, and others, to be dealt with. For these reasons the Chair cannot entertain the proposed motion of the hon. member for York South.

Topic:   MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 LABOUR CONDITIONS LATEST UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES
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THE CANADIAN ECONOMY

UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to address a question to the Minister of Finance arising out of the shocking unemployment figures issued today by Statistics Canada. In light of these figures is the minister considering any new measures other than those proposed in his budget which he presented to the House early in May? In particular, instead of allowing the income tax to increase on January 1 is he considering some reduction in income tax, and is he also considering some inducements to investment which would be more meaningful in the formation of new companies, thus bringing more employment through investment in Canada?

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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LIB

John Napier Turner (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. John N. Turner (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, in the budget address which I made to the House on May 8 I warned that there would be monthly variations in the figures. I have been appraising the figures for this month. I am not happy with those figures, but wish to state to the House that I see no reason to change the basic view I then expressed. The economy is in an expansionary phase. It is strong and growing, and this has been reflected in the report of Statistics Canada which stated that there were 260,000 new jobs between April and May.

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

The minister is aware that this is only the normal increase in employment between those two months. Now that he has had his present responsibilities for several months, may I ask whether he tolerates the present level of unemployment because of his concern with inflation? Is that why the minister tolerates this level of unemployment?

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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LIB

John Napier Turner (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Mr. Turner (Ottawa-Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Leader of the Opposition heard me on the first occasion I had the opportunity to speak in the House as Minister of Finance, and again in the budget debate, when I said that my No. 1 priority was jobs. That remains the No. 1 priority.

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Prime Minister has the answer. In view of the vast number of unemployed with nearly 50 per cent being under the age of 25, representing some 269,000 people or nearly 11 per cent of the total number of Canadians in the work force, is the Prime Minister going to propose any new programs or any expansion of existing programs in light of this alarming social phenomenon, or does the Prime Minister know of enough unfilled jobs which can meet this need?

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, it seems to me the Leader of the Opposition is asking me the same question that he asked the Minister of Finance.

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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PC

Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Baldwin:

To which he did not get an answer.

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Let's get Ben back.

June 13, 1972

Topic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO ALLEVIATE PROBLEM IN LIGHT OF LATEST FIGURES
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UNEMPLOYMENT-NEW POLICIES TO PROVIDE JOBS NEXT FALL AND WINTER-PROVISION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THIS SUMMER

NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Lewis (York South):

Mr. Speaker, I am rising on a supplementary question, but perhaps it would be fair if I were to suggest that Your Honour could consider it my main question. In view of the inevitable time lag which always occurs between the planning for jobs and the investing which is undertaken in order to create jobs eventually, and in view of the underlying trend which has kept the unemployment rate at about 6 per cent or over for 24 consecutive months, are the Minister of Finance and the government considering additional policies to be introduced immediately in the hope that they will produce jobs next fall and winter so as to reduce the level of unemployment?

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-NEW POLICIES TO PROVIDE JOBS NEXT FALL AND WINTER-PROVISION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THIS SUMMER
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LIB

John Napier Turner (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. John N. Turner (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I am confident that that very concept of a time lag between the institution of an economic policy and the results, a time lag which I think has been underestimated in the past by economists, will now work in favour of the country, because the expansionary policy of the government and the expansion of the economy have now been operating for a sufficient length of time that we should soon feel the results.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-NEW POLICIES TO PROVIDE JOBS NEXT FALL AND WINTER-PROVISION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THIS SUMMER
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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

Is the minister so complacent about the situation-

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT-NEW POLICIES TO PROVIDE JOBS NEXT FALL AND WINTER-PROVISION OF EMPLOYMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE THIS SUMMER
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June 13, 1972