June 8, 1972

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

Mr. Speaker, there is no way that representatives of the government can take away opposition days that are assured by the rules.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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PC

John Patrick (Pat) Nowlan

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nowlan:

Mr. Speaker, having sat in this Chamber for the last few hours, I completely agree with the acting House leader that the present charade involves us all in the House of Commons. But I come back to a ruling made by Your Honour earlier today. While the rule may be 105 years old, I do not believe that in 105 years of parliamentary democracy of the British institution-or Anglo-Saxon institution, to get the two languages involved-there has been either an interpretation or an implementation of a ruling by the Chair which has brought the House into such utter confusion.

Frankly, I completely agree with the hon. member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) that unless the acting House leader can assure us that the Creditistes will have their opposition day, then I suppose we will have to sit out the next 20 minutes. But so far as I am concerned, after sitting here for the last three four or five hours of complete insanity, I don't see why we cannot call it ten o'clock and start fresh tomorrow.

I call it ten o'clock, Mr. Speaker.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. It has been suggested that we call it ten o'clock. Is it agreed that the Chair shall call it ten o'clock?

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

There is not agreement.

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PC

Robert Elgin McKinley

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinley:

I rise on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. There are some important questions that were supposed to be asked today and we are not going to have a chance to ask them. What has happened today has brought up something that has concerned many of us for quite an extended period of time. This is the fact that hon. members who belong to the Creditiste party are situated to the left of the Speaker in the far end of the chamber. I think normal tradition was that the opposition were seated immediately to Mr. Speaker's left, and others who formed

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the government majority were seated in the far end of the chamber. But this government, due to its feeling of power over and control of the people of this nation-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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PC

Robert Elgin McKinley

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinley:

-have decided that those hon. members should be seated there. I think it is time this should be changed.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Again I appeal to hon. members to accept the suggestion put forward by the hon. member for Annapolis Valley that we call it ten o'clock.

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SC

André-Gilles Fortin

Social Credit

Mr. Fortin:

Mr. Speaker-

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Is the hon. member for Lotbiniere rising on a point of order?

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André-Gilles Fortin

Social Credit

Mr. Fortin:

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

Considering the very serious nature of the situation and the dilemma in which we find ourselves, I would like to say that it is not happily that we are fighting in order to obtain respect for the rights of the minorities in the House. But we would like to have it clearly stated that, first of all, our Standing Orders give us the right to one opposition day; secondly, that this right has today been trampled underfoot by persons who have abused a provision of the Standing Orders which is ridiculous, and the first victims of such a situation are my colleagues and myself.

Mr. Speaker, we have listened to hon. members opposite all day long and I hope now that they will be kind enough to listen to us.

Finally, I should like to say that all afternoon, as leader of the House for my party, I have attempted without result to hold talks with representatives of all other parties in order that this right be respected and that we get down to serious business. I have even put a motion to this effect.

Three times, they have come to us in order to reach an agreement and three times, we have been misled. In fact, we, have been masterfully taken in by people who are more concerned with playing politics than carrying out the business of this House. The net result, Mr. Speaker, is that you have had your fill-with all due respect-and so have we. The only thing we want is the formal recognition that our party is on an equal footing with the others, and therefore entitled to an opposition day just like the other parties. When some day the Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals understand this, there will be order in the House, but not before.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Again, I suggest we might call it ten o'clock but the hon. member for York South (Mr. Lewis) rises on a point of order.

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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

I do, Mr. Speaker, on another subject and I do it on a point of order with apologies to you, Sir,

because we may not reach the question period. It is obvious that the motion that was moved by the hon. member for Fraser Valley East (Mr. Pringle) is of great importance to Canada and of great concern to this Parliament. Because of that, Mr. Speaker, I should like, through you, to ask the Acting House Leader whether he would guarantee that that motion would be brought forward tomorrow for a continuance of the debate which was adjourned earlier-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

Hold it a minute-just wait a minute-for the continuance of the debate which was adjourned today if our party were-and in its name I offer-to give up tomorrow, our opposition day, for the purpose of continuing that debate, understanding full well that if we do that we will lose one of our opposition days. I should like to ask the Acting House Leader, if I do that on behalf of our party, if he will guarantee to bring forward the motion of the hon. member for Fraser Valley East tomorrow so that the debate may be completed and the motion voted on by the members of this House.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

Mr. Speaker, as I understand the hon. member's proposal, it is that the motion put in the name of my colleague, the hon. member for Fraser Valley (Mr. Pringle) would become the subject matter, if the hon. member likes, of tomorrow's allotted day which was to be in the name of the hon. gentleman's party. In that case, if the House could perhaps recognize that the subject matter of the motion would be changed from the one he has given notice of to that of the hon. member-

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June 8, 1972