December 16, 1971

SC
LIB

Gérard Duquet (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Duquet:

You said $14 billion.

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

Yes, $14 billion is the total. I am now speaking of the federal government.

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LIB

Gérard Duquet (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Duquet:

I must say to the hon. member that there is no member for Limoilou. I am the member for Quebec East.

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

I am speaking about the federal government. If the hon. member wants to add the amounts relating to the provincial government, it is about the same thing for the municipalities.

As for the grand total, the provincial expenses for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1972, they amount to $6,814,500,000.

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LIB

Gérard Duquet (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Duquet:

Yes, but are the 50 per cent included in the federal government expenses?

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

No, they are not included; those are expenses shared equally by the province and by the federal government.

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LIB

Gérard Duquet (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Duquet:

Yes, by the federal government?

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SC
?

An hon. Member:

It is all figured out?

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

Yes, it is substracted; everything is figured out here, the province pays and the federal government provides the total amount of $14,903,249,000. That is what social security is presently costing in Canada.

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An hon. Member:

Does that include municipalities?

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

Yes, it includes municipalities, cities like Montreal, Quebec and Rouyn-Noranda.

Mr. Speaker, this is a plan we are submitting. It can be studied; the economists can wallow in it if they want, and figure it out.

Now, the point I want to make is that we must at all costs adjust the financial system to the physical requirements of our country, that is to say make financially possible what can physically be accomplished. Everybody can understand that easily. We used to hear Mr. Georges-Emile Lapalme, former provincial Liberal leader, say it over and over again on television and radio.

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LIB

Gérard Duquet (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Duquet:

That cost a lot.

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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Caouette:

Mr. Speaker, last week I was talking to students of three universities in Montreal, McGill, Loyola and Sir George Williams. Last summer, those students

were looking for jobs and the government with its Opportunities for Youth program was supposed to get them some. We provided jobs for 400,000 young Canadians through programs set up by the government, but 900,000 students were unable to find a job during the summer.

I tell the younger generation in plain words, if a war was to break out tomorrow, each and everyone of you would find a job in the Canadian army. They would be dressed, fed and even paid to go and fight for Christianity and civilization. Why do we not start respecting Christianity and civilization at home, in Canada. Instead of meddling with financiers who dream up such bills as Bill C-259, let us bring about the necessary monetary reform by subordinating money to the human being and not the human being to money as would presently be the case should Bill C-259 be adopted.

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LIB

Eric William Kierans

Liberal

Hon. Eric W. Kierans (Duvernay):

Mr. Speaker, I am glad to have this opportunity to speak on the bill and also to take advantage of the statement of the Minister of Finance (Mr. Benson) that the bill in its complexity obviously leaves some things to be desired and undoubtedly the government will be taking steps to amend the bill and to improve it. I should like to point out this evening some of the measures which I think the government should take the opportunity to imprpve as quickly as possible.

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PC
LIB

Eric William Kierans

Liberal

Mr. Kierans:

I think there are certain elements in this bill which are the basis of creating even further problems for the Canadian people and the Canadian economy.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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PC

Robert Norman Thompson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Thompson:

Mahoney, you should listen to him.

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December 16, 1971