October 27, 1971

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS

LIB

John (Jack) Davis (Minister of the Environment)

Liberal

Hon. lack Davis (Minister of the Environment):

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 41(2) I wish to table two reports prepared by the Canadian Wildlife Service on the ecological and archaelogical values of national interest in the Suffield Military Reserve in Alberta.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   TABLING OF CANADIAN WILDLIFE SERVICE REPORTS ON ECOLOGICAL AND ARCHAELOGICAL VALUES, SUFFIELD MILITARY RESERVE
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, members of the House will be aware that the United States has just announced President Nixon's decision that the underground nuclear test at Amchitka will take place on or shortly after November 3.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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Some hon. Members:

Shame!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

The government deeply regrets this decision and shares the widespread concern of the people of Canada as expressed in the resolution of this House of October 15.

I need not remind the House that the government has both publicly and privately made clear to the United States Canada's firm and consistent opposition to the continuation and escalation of nuclear weapons testing, and our specific concern about the threat the Amchitka test poses to the North Pacific environment that we share with them, with the Russians and the Japanese.

Our ambassador in Washington was notified of the President's decision this morning shortly before it was made public. I at once took steps to contact Mr. Rogers, the American Secretary of State, and have conveyed to him that this action on their part can only result in a deep sense of disquiet among Canadians.

The hard fact is that in the end the United States government has the legal right to carry out this test. Presumably it is doing so in accordance with what it perceives to be the national interest of the United States. We have also never suggested that this test involves a high element of risk, but no one denies that risks exist.

Canada and other nations threatened will necessarily hold the United States responsible for any short or longterm effects of this test.

To conclude, Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind the House that our specific objections to this test are wholly consistent with Canada's opposition to nuclear weapons testing of all kinds and by all nuclear powers.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I am sure that in view of what the Secretary of State for External Affairs has just said the House will be pleased to give unanimous consent to a motion I intend to propose under Standing Order 43, if unanimous consent is granted, relative to a matter of urgent and pressing necessity, namely, today's announcement by the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington that the United States will proceed with the Amchitka nuclear test on November 3.

I move, seconded by the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin):

That this House do direct the Prime Minister to undertake a personal and direct contact with the American President to express the opposition of the Parliament and the people of Canada to the Amchitka nuclear test and further-

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I apologize to the Leader of the Opposition but it seems we are proceeding somewhat irregularly now. My understanding was that after the statement on motions had been made by the Secretary of State for External Affairs spokesmen for the opposition would be given the opportunity, as provided under the Standing Orders, to comment if they wished on behalf of their parties. It was my impression that the Leader of the Opposition would be doing this subject to his right of course, after these comments had been heard from the different parties, to make the motion which he is proposing. Perhaps the Leader of the Opposition would take that into consideration.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, I simply felt I was co-operating, as I always wish to co-operate, with the members of the government-

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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LIB

Joseph-Phillippe Guay

Liberal

Mr. Guay (St. Boniface):

We can take a joke.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

-in presenting this motion at this time, and I hope it will receive the unanimous consent of the House.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Before the motion can be put we have to proceed in accordance with the Standing Orders which require that representatives of the opposition parties be given an opportunity to comment on the statement made by the minister. The Chair will now recognize the hon. member for York South.

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October 27, 1971

Amchitka Nuclear Test

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Lewis (York South):

Mr. Speaker, one of my colleagues was also considering moving a motion on the same subject, but I do not see the value of it now in view of the debate that took place the other day.

I want to say on behalf of our party, and perhaps on behalf of most if not all Canadians, that the news which the Secretary of State for External Affairs has given us now makes this day a very sad one. The President of the United States has shown himself entirely insensitive to the needs of the world. He has decided to ignore the concern of Canadians in that area and, indeed, the concern of all people throughout the world that this kind of nuclear arms race should continue unabated.

I cannot help but say shame to the administration of a big and strong power that has so much to do with the welfare and peace of the world ignoring world opinion and ignoring the facts of the situation. This cannot help to produce a greater feeling of warmth or friendship toward the administration of that powerful country.

In my reading of the situation, Mr. Speaker, there are a good many scientists and military strategists who have pointed out that the test is militarily of doubtful value, if not useless, and that the Safeguard system which it is supposed to serve cannot be supported by so huge a bomb as that which will be exploded on or about November 3. I cannot help but feel that President Nixon has yielded to a desire to establish the prestige of the United States in a race that threatens the peace of the world and, indeed, the very existence of this world.

I hope, Mr. Speaker, that even at this late date the strong expression of opposition which the Secretary of State for External Affairs has made-I say without hesitation that I congratulate him for his statement and am pleased he made it so clear and so strong-and the expression of opposition by the members of this House may still persuade President Nixon to get off this course of danger and the threat to humanity, to the ecology of the northwest and in general to the morality of the modern world posed by this atrociously unnecessary and atrociously dangerous test.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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SC

David Réal Caouette

Social Credit

Mr. Real Caouette (Temiscamingue):

Mr. Speaker, my colleagues and I highly commend the firmness shown by the hon. Secretary of State for External Affairs (Mr. Sharp) in notifying the United States government of Canada's opposition, not only on the part of the government, but also of Parliament and the people of Canada, to these nuclear tests to be carried out by the Americans shortly after November 4.

It is astounding to see what short shrift the United States government gives to nations which in the past have co-operated with them in many areas, completely ignoring our representations when we ask them to spare Canada and other countries consequences which can only be disastrous.

I now understand why representatives and citizens of the United States are not so very welcome in most of the countries I have visited, precisely because of their disregard for other nations. The Canadian government has made some representations but the American government advises us that it is not important.

Mr. Speaker, the Americans will entirely bear the onus of their decision. We strongly object to the nuclear test which will be held in Amchitka and I join my colleagues in congratulating the government for the firm stand it has taken with the American authorities.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. My understanding is that the Leader of the Opposition might want to propose at this time the motion he referred to a moment ago.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, in putting this motion I wish to make it very clear that I am not accusing the President of the United States of shameful conduct or immorality. If I get the unanimous consent of the House I would move, seconded by the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin):

That this House do direct the Prime Minister to undertake a personal and direct contact with the American President to express the opposition of the Parliament and people of Canada to the Amchitka nuclear test, and further that the Prime Minister make this direct contact an absolute and immediate priority.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION UNDER S.O.43
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LIB

Joseph-Phillippe Guay

Liberal

Mr. Guay (St. Boniface):

Talk to McIntosh.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION UNDER S.O.43
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The House has heard the motion proposed by the Leader of the Opposition. Under the terms of Standing Order 43 this motion requires the unanimous consent of the House. Is there unanimous consent?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DECISION BY UNITED STATES TO PROCEED WITH AMCHITKA NUCLEAR TEST-REQUEST FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE MOTION UNDER S.O.43
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October 27, 1971