October 26, 1971

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, under Standing Order 41(2) I should like to table copies in English and French of the communique issued at the conclusion of the visit of Premier Kosygin to Canada.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   TABLING OF COMMUNIQUE ISSUED AT CONCLUSION OF VISIT OF PREMIER KOSYGIN TO CANADA
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the right hon. Prime Minister a question or two about the communique he has just tabled which says, among other things, that "it is the intention of both sides to continue furthering, jointly and separately . . . the reduction of military expenditures". In view of the fact that the White Paper on Defence envisages some increase in our military expenditures, is the government of Canada here speaking about reducing the military expenditures of other countries or does this mean that the government of Canada would be prepared to reduce our military expenditures proportionately to the reductions in military expenditures of certain other countries?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-MEANING OF REFERENCE TO REDUCTION OF MILITARY EXPENDITURES
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition will notice that this is put in the context of the NATO approach to mutual and balanced force reductions and also the Soviet idea of a conference on European security. The statement there is in line with our posture at NATO, a posture made known in the House, that if we can reach some agreement to de-escalate the arms race or even, in the European situation, to reduce military commitments, Canada would be interested in participating in such discussions. It is impossible to know how this will end up. That is why we are in our white paper taking a position of our own, but of course our military posture in Canada would be subject to any over-all agreement we reached.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-MEANING OF REFERENCE TO REDUCTION OF MILITARY EXPENDITURES
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, I have a supplementary question arising from the Prime Minister's reference to the NATO discussions and the possible discussions about European security as well as the reference in the communique about the importance of reducing troops on both sides in that area. Does this envisage the withdrawal of Canadian and United States troops from the European theatre?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-MEANING OF REFERENCE TO REDUCTION OF MILITARY EXPENDITURES
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

It is much too early, Mr. Speaker, to know what the posture of the NATO countries would be in that regard. Only a few weeks ago the NATO countries named Mr. Brosio as an explorer to see to what degree the other side, the Warsaw Pact countries, is prepared to engage in serious negotiations. Certainly government policy has not been established as to whether this would end with a complete or partial withdrawal of some of the American and Canadian forces over there now.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-MEANING OF REFERENCE TO REDUCTION OF MILITARY EXPENDITURES
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

It

does not appear to mean anything very precise but I would like to ask the Prime Minister a very precise question with regard to the reference in the communique emphasizing respect for independence, national sovereignty, territorial integrity and non-interference in internal affairs of other countries. I should like to ask my right hon. friend whether this arose following any discussion, for example, of the so-called Brezhnev doctrine under which the right was asserted to intervene in other countries to protect and preserve Communist governments in those countries and whether the Prime Minister regards the statement in the communique as a repudiation by the U.S.S.R. of the so-called Brezhnev doctrine invoking, as it does, the right to intervene in the affairs of other Communist states?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

I would not be hopeful enough to use the word "repudiation" which the Leader of the Opposition used. Certainly we indicated that we did not accept the Brezhnev doctrine, and the meaning of the communique as it reads to us is as described by the Leader of the Opposition. Of course we do not know how the other side will implement this, but we are hopeful.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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PC

Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Woolliams:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Ha, ha! We are hopeful that this joint statement indicates indeed a step in the direction that the Leader of the Opposition and we desire.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member for York South.

October 26, 1971

Inquiries of the Ministry

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

Mr. Speaker, I want to deal with some other aspects of the communique.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Is the hon. member's question supplementary, because there is a request for a supplementary question on the part of the hon. member for South Shore?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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NDP

David Lewis

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

I will leave it to Your Honour. It is supplementary in the sense that it deals with the communique, but perhaps your Honour might want to allow the other supplementary question first.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

The Chair might allow the hon. member for South Shore a supplementary question and then we will go to the other aspect of the communique to which the hon. member wishes to allude.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-REFERENCE TO NONINTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER COUNTRIES-POSSIBLE REPUDIATION OF BREZHNEV DOCTRINE BY U.S.S.R.
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PC

Lloyd Roseville Crouse

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lloyd R. Crouse (South Shore):

My question deals with the tabling of the Canadian-Soviet communique and I wish to direct it either to the right hon. Prime Minister or to the Minister of the Environment. The communique that has been tabled does not mention the fisheries problem which is troubling Atlantic Canada, despite the assurances given us by the Minister of the Environment as well as by the Prime Minister that this matter was discussed. Was there discussion about the excessive overfishing by the Russian fleet off the coast of Atlantic Canada? If so, was any agreement reached and when may we expect this agreement with regard to the conservation of our fisheries resources off the Atlantic coast to be tabled?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-DISCUSSION OF OVERFISHING BY RUSSIAN FLEET OFF ATLANTIC COAST
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LIB

John (Jack) Davis (Minister of the Environment)

Liberal

Hon. lack Davis (Minister of Fisheries):

Mr. Speaker, a representation was made, an emphatic one, and there was some discussion of the matter. The Premier of the U.S.S.R. did say that he would take the matter under careful consideration.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CANADIAN-SOVIET COMMUNIQUE-DISCUSSION OF OVERFISHING BY RUSSIAN FLEET OFF ATLANTIC COAST
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October 26, 1971