February 19, 1970

RA

André-Gilles Fortin

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Fortin:

I rise on a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker.

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LIB

Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order.

The hon. member for Richelieu now has the floor but the hon. member for Lotbiniere, I believe, is raising another question of privilege.

[DOT] (9:40 p.m.)

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André-Gilles Fortin

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Fortin:

Mr. Speaker, 1 will quote, on behalf of the hon. member for Bellechasse, Standing Order 37(1), which reads as follows:

No member may speak twice to a question except in explanation of a material part of his speech which may have been misquoted or misunderstood:

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Florian Côté (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Cote (Richelieu):

Mr. Speaker, I hope that those who listen to us in this House will realize that when one tries to speak about facts, there are always some who try to interfere. If hon. members wish to acquire some knowledge on agriculture, I ask them to let me have my allotted time, after which they could ask me questions. I will be at their disposal here in this House until midnight if need be.

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Bernard Dumont

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Dumont:

Mr. Speaker, on a question of privilege.

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Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order, please. Does the hon. member for Frontenac (Mr. Dumont) wish to ask a question?

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Bernard Dumont

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Dumont:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. The member for Richelieu pointed out that he must not be interrupted. However, when I spoke at seven o'clock, he interrupted me twice. It is just a case of the shoe being on the other foot.

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Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

Mr. Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order, please. The hon. member for Richelieu.

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Florian Côté (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Cote (Richelieu):

Mr. Speaker, a

moment ago when I was saying, in order to define my thoughts about what was said earlier in this debate, that it was all applesauce, I did listen to the outstanding speech of the member for Bellechasse who, in order to explain the difficulties facing the farmer, described the situation in a most realistic way. I do not know how long since he has studied the balance-sheet he has drawn because on January 20th-I refer to the

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Government Dairy Policy report of the Committee on Agriculture-he asked the president of the National Farmers Union, and I quote:

I would like to know if you have any figures which might inform us with regard to incomes of industrial milk producers. Are their incomes exaggerated, reasonable, or insufficient? You mentioned that the farmers had not contributed in bringing about inflation in Canada. I would like to know what is the average income of industrial milk producers who belong to the National Farmers Union.

That afternoon of January 20, he seemed to be well informed. However, I would have preferred him to put forward some concrete solutions, because after having learned about all the problems and all the answers from those who attended the committee meeting, the hon. member for Bellechasse, just like me and many other members who were on the committee, was facing serious problems, so that he often said: Yes, that is the crux of the problem. We must find solution. We had the rope in his hand and could not tie the knot and I understand him as I was somewhat like him. I do not blame him, but we should not, because people are listening, pretend to have all the answers.

I believe it would not be quite in keeping with regulations to quote certain suggestions and I shall try to be as brief as possible in order to come to the recommendations of the committee on agriculture.

I feel I have to give an outline of the statements. The hon. members for Joliette (Mr. La Salle) and the hon. member for Charlevoix (Mr. Asselin), eloquent speakers both and men of imposing stature, made splendid statements and I must take my hat off to them since the two of them represent 50 per cent of Quebec's conservative representation in the House. At a certain time I was under the impression that the hon. member for Joliette, who is a close friend of mine, with whom I have serious discussions, was mistaken in endorsing his party's policy. As he was a travelling salesman at the time when the Progressive Conservatives was in office, he must have realized that things were not going well for agriculture, and there was no opportunity for us to sit on the Committee on agriculture as we have done this year.

When it is claimed that I kneel before the Minister of Agriculture, or when I try sometimes to report on articles signed by Pierre Courtaud and that I am supposed to have said that I am pleased with the minister's decision, then I open a report from the Committee on Agriculture and I try to figure out when I was

pleased. I realize then that at the meeting held on January 13, the Minister of Agriculture had stated that the members of the committee should try to find some way of increasing the net income of farmers.

He then pointed out that, for the current year, $45 million would be used for marketing dairy products and that, when the Treasury Board grants $125 million to the Canadian Dairy Commission, 94 per cent of the population think that this goes to the farmers when, actually, they only receive 70 per cent. It was in this connection that the Minister said: We must change our capitals. He even disclosed some ideas from the program he was to bring forward. I then said: I am happy to see a politician, whatever his political party, thinking of the net returns of the farmer, which I had never seen before.

When one speaks of the returns of a farmer in this House or elsewhere, one should think of the net returns.

I understand why the hon. member for Frontenac said that I groveled before the Minister. But this is not so, and it will soon be possible to know where I stand in respect of the dairy industry. At the present time I am speaking about the whole of Canada without distinction. Maybe are we forced in Eastern Canada today to take a firmer and more direct stand. Why? Because the milk problem is more acute with us than in other parts of the country, as my colleague has just mentioned. Quebec is the only province which in 1968-69 not only went over its quota figures but which could not receive the subsidies it was entitled to.

I understand the difficulties experienced by the Prairie Provinces and I have much sympathy for them. That is why I am in favour of the Department of Agriculture helping them. But at this time it is the milk question which is being discussed and we have to deal with the province of Quebec because it is in this province and in the Province of Ontario where the dairy industry is active. But the Province of Quebec is more seriously affected as its quota for 1968-69 was 153.1 million pounds of fat which was exceeded by 2.1 million pounds. How come? Because there is nothing else than the dairy industry in the province of Quebec. I would have liked my colleagues to tell the farmers who are now listening that among the ten resolutions submitted to the cabinet and to all those who must look after the welfare of that category of citizens, we asked, taking into consideration the productivity of the farming indus-

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tries, what would be the results of the reduction of available funds under the support program to the dairy industry.

The committee urges in the strongest possible terms that the government consider maintaining the dairy support programs at the 1969-70 level for the period 1970-71, namely $125,000,000.00.

And in section 3, we recommend, and I quote:

That the holdback-

-this action has been suggested by the hon. members of all political parties.

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Joseph Adrien Henri Lambert

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Lambert (Bellechasse):

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order.

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Florian Côté (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Cote (Richelieu):

Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member for Bellechasse would kindly

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Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order! The hon. member for Bellechasse (Mr. Lambert) on a point of order.

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Joseph Adrien Henri Lambert

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Lambert (Bellechasse):

Mr. Speaker, I wish the hon. member for Richelieu would give an accurate account of what happened at the committee meeting. At item 2, I suggested what the Federation des producteurs de lait industriel had recommended, that is, to take into account the 5 per cent increase in production cost-

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LIB

Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order!

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An hon. Member:

The truth hurts.

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Horace Andrew (Bud) Olson (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Olson:

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Bernard Dumont

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Dumont:

Mr. Speaker, on a point of

order.

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Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order, please. I would like to point out to hon. members that there are hardly 10 minutes remaining before the end of the debate, and that the next speaker will be the loser.

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Bernard Dumont

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Dumont:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

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Albert Béchard (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bechard):

Order, please. The hon. member for Frontenac on a point of order.

DEBATES 3879

Government Dairy Policy

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February 19, 1970