November 20, 1969

ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

HEALTH AND WELFARE

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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I thought I saw the Minister of National Health and Welfare in the House a moment ago. Now that he has returned I should like to ask him, in view of certain remarks he made yesterday in Winnipeg, whether it is his position and the position of the government that the hospital plans operated by the provinces are generally inefficient in terms of operation and particularly in terms of cost control?

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Hon. John C. Munro (Minister of Naiional Health and Welfare):

I did not say they were generally inefficient.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

I did not say the minister said that.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Woolliams:

Another misquote.

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John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Munro:

No, I do not think it was even stated in the press.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Munro:

Perhaps the hon. member cannot read the press very accurately, but I did say-and I think it is acknowledged by many in the field including many representatives of the provinces-that there are very sizeable areas within the whole hospital structure in the provinces where substantial waste could be eliminated, and it is one of the purposes of the meeting next week between myself and the provincial Ministers of Health to study the reports we have and try to isolate these areas to see what can be done about them.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

I have a supplementary question. As I interpret the minister's answer, he

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is in effect saying yes, but in his own way. I should like to ask him whether, for example, in lieu of suggesting to the doctors how they should conduct their practices, the minister would consider increasing the federal government funds available to assist and encourage the construction of institutions which can be operated at a lower cost than active treatment hospitals?

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Munro:

Mr. Speaker, this will be one of the items that will undoubtedly be raised for consideration at the conference.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

I am sure it will be. I asked the minister whether he and the government are considering increasing the funds available, not whether the subject will be raised at the conference.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Munro:

As I endeavoured to indicate, we have just received these reports. The various provincial governments and ourselves have had them for about three or four weeks, and until we make a joint analysis of them and determine what are the appropriate remedies that can be applied the federal government can make no decision, nor can the provincial governments, with reference to the matter which the Leader of the Opposition has just raised or with reference to any other matters.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Erik Nielsen (Yukon):

I have a supplementary question for the minister. Can he indicate what the government's plans are for the introduction of medicare in the northern territories?

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Amateur Sport; Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Munro:

I cannot give a definite decision on that matter at the moment.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Paul Yewchuk

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Paul Yewchuk (Athabasca):

I have a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Can the minister elucidate whether he implied in his remarks that he intends to establish some sort of system of policing what type of patients should be admitted to hospitals?

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I must intervene at this point and apologize to the House, particularly to the Leader of the Opposition, for the fact that I allowed his question in the first instance. It is well known to hon. members that normally questions cannot be asked directly about statements outside the House except for questions asked of the Prime Minister inviting him to indicate whether a statement represents government policy. However, I was not quite prepared when the question period started and that is why the question 21362-66

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Inquiries of the Ministry was allowed. But I do not think the supplementary question should be allowed, certainly not in the way it was asked.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

If I may say with respect, Mr. Speaker, I do not think you should apologize for making any error in allowing the question because the question I asked was directly related to what is in fact the attitude and the policy of the government. It is true I did not succeed in getting an answer.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

I thank the Leader of the Opposition. I feel much better now that I know I was in order.

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Subtopic:   HEALTH AND WELFARE
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECTIVENESS OF HOSPITAL PLANS OPERATED BY PROVINCES
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November 20, 1969