October 31, 1969

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

INDIAN AFFAIRS AND NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT

LIB

George James McIlraith (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. G. J. Mcllraiih (Solicitor General):

Mr. Speaker, I move:

That the annual report of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1968, be referred to the Standing Committee on Indian Affairs and Northern Development;

And that the evidence adduced by the committee in its consideration of the aforementioned matter during the first session of the twenty-eighth Parliament be referred to the committee.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   INDIAN AFFAIRS AND NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT
Sub-subtopic:   REFERENCE OF ANNUAL REPORT TO STANDING COMMITTEE
Permalink

Motion agreed to.


ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

THE CANADIAN ECONOMY

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Prime Minister could state the position of his government with regard to the accusation made by Russell Bell, director of research for the Canadian Labour Congress, who has made the charge that the Prices and Incomes Commission had no clearly formed ideas to place before the interested parties, that meaningful discussion in these circumstances became virtually impossible and that in these circumstances the leaders of the CLC and the Confederation of National Trade Unions had really no choice but to reject the voluntary guidelines?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I will ensure that the commission takes note of this accusation.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, part of the concern of Mr. Bell appears to be in connection with the application of guidelines to other forms of income. Has the government satisfied itself that the proposals being placed before the private sector of the economy by the Prices and Incomes Commission do in fact involve equitable proposals relating to incomes generally? I ask this question, Mr. Speaker, in view of the obvious importance to all of us of some system of voluntary restraints being adopted and in view of the obvious interest of the government in seeing that every possible chance of success is attained.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Mr. Speaker, I think there is some confusion in the mind of the Leader of the Opposition as to the role this commission is to perform. We have taken the position from the outset, and it has been made quite ciear to parliament, that the commission has an independent operation of its own. It was set up by the government in order to deal with various sectors of the economy as it best saw fit. It has approached the government with certain representations. I understand we have had discussions with members of the commission on certain proposals for governmental action. We have indeed acted on some of them as we showed in the guidelines exercise last summer and since, but we are not second-guessing the commission.

I repeat what I said yesterday to the Leader of the Opposi.ion. We have not asked the commission to report (o us in any detail on what it is doing with either the unions or the management sector of the economy, nor do we think we should. If the Leader of the Opposition thinks (hat the terms of reference might be altered and that we should have the commission reporting every day to the government or to parliament, perhaps he could make a proposition, which I would be delighted to pursue.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Slaniield:

A further supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Is it the position of the government that it is appropriate for the government of Canada to delegate to an independent commission responsibility for decision-making in an area that has become of very central importance to the successful government of this country?

October 31, 1969

Inquiries of the Ministry

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

I suggest that the question is argumentative, Mr. Speaker.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
?

Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
PC

Gerald William Baldwin (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. W. Baldwin (Peace River):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. In view of the fact the terms of reference seem to contemplate a rather leisurely unhurried examination of the problem, will the Prime Minister consider discussing with the members of the commission their views as to possible changes in the terms of reference in order to give them an opportunity to point up the urgency, seriousness and gravity of the current problems?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink
LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Mr. Speaker, I am quite sure that the commission senses the urgency of the problem, as does every member of the opposition. We are engaged in debating the Throne Speech, so let us hear from the opposition their ideas as to how the terms of reference of the commission should be altered.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE CANADIAN ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   INFLATION-PROPOSALS OF PRICES AND INCOMES COMMISSION
Permalink

ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

PENAL REFORM-REQUEST FOR REFERENCE OF REPORT TO COMMITTEE

NDP

Harold Edward Winch

New Democratic Party

Mr. Harold E. Winch (Vancouver East):

My

question is directed to the Solicitor General. Is consideration being given to referring the royal commission report on penal reform to a committee of this House or a special joint committee of both Houses in order that the views of members may be conveyed to the government through a report to parliament?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   PENAL REFORM-REQUEST FOR REFERENCE OF REPORT TO COMMITTEE
Permalink
LIB

George James McIlraith (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. G. J. Mcllraith (Solicitor General):

Mr. Speaker, I had anticipated that that report would be studied by the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs when the estimates of the Solicitor Generals department were before the committee. However, I would be glad to take any other suggestion under consideration.

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   PENAL REFORM-REQUEST FOR REFERENCE OF REPORT TO COMMITTEE
Permalink
NDP

Harold Edward Winch

New Democratic Party

Mr. Winch:

Mr. Speaker, in view of the Solicitor General's answer to my original question, could I ask the minister whether he would give very serious consideration to reestablishing the joint committee of the Senate and House of Commons that was set up two years ago and which, in my estimation, did a wonderful job in studying all questions relating to the penitentiary and penal system?

Topic:   ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Subtopic:   PENAL REFORM-REQUEST FOR REFERENCE OF REPORT TO COMMITTEE
Permalink

October 31, 1969