July 25, 1969

COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

I have the honour to lay before the House an extract from the minutes of a meeting of the Commissioners of Internal Economy, concerning certain additional expenses payable to members.

Topic:   COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES
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ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

TAX REFORM

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, the house will recall that a few days ago we constituted a special joint parliamentary committee on tax reform but at that time did not name the personnel. I have a formal order here which, if the house is agreeable, perhaps might be made in order to constitute the membership of the committee so that it can meet during the recess. I therefore move:

That the Members of the House of Commons on the Special Joint Parliamentary Committee on Tax Reform to consider the Government's proposals for tax reform be Messrs. Blair, Burton, Clermont, Comtois, Danson, Gillespie, Gray, Kaplan, Latu-lippe, Leblanc (Laurier), Noel, Roberts, Saltsman, Trudel, Danforth, Ritchie, Downey, Flemming, Harkness and Lambert (Edmonton West); and

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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NDP

Harold Edward Winch

New Democratic Party

Mr. Winch:

Mr. Speaker, how does the House of Commons send a message to the other place when it has adjourned until October 14?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member will have to consult the Postmaster General.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

It

will never get there by October 14.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the said motion?

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
Subtopic:   TAX REFORM
Sub-subtopic:   HOUSE MEMBERSHIP ON SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE
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Motion agreed to.


COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES-MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, Your Honour just referred to the decision of the Commissioners of Internal Economy concerning certain additional expenses payable to Members of Parliament. If the house is agreeable I should like to move, seconded by Mr. Olson, that the said extract from the minutes of a meeting of the Commissioners of Internal Economy laid before the House today by Mr. Speaker, concerning certain additional expenses payable to members, be concurred in.

Topic:   COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES-MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the said motion?

Topic:   COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES-MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE
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NDP

John Stratford Burton

New Democratic Party

Mr. John Burton (Regina East):

Mr. Speaker, as one of the members affected by this matter I cannot give my consent to leave to discuss this motion at this time. My refusal does not concern the substance of the motion but rather the granting of leave. In view of the discussion in respect of the rules over the past several weeks and in view of the fact that the government wants to operate on the basis of the rules, I feel we should operate on that basis.

Topic:   COMMISSIONERS OF INTERNAL ECONOMY-EXTRACT FROM MINUTES CONCERNING MEMBERS' EXPENSES-MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Since there is not agreement for the motion to be put, the motion will not be put.

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MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OCTOBER 22, 1969

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (President of the Privy Council) moved:

That when the House adjourns for its summer recess it shall stand adjourned until October 22, 1969, provided always that if it appears to the satisfaction of Mr. Speaker, after consultation with Her Majesty's Government, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, Mr. Speaker may give notice that he is so satisfied, and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice, and shall transact its business as if it had been duly adjourned to that time; and

That, in the event of Mr. Speaker being unable to act owing to illness or other cause, the Deputy Speaker or the Deputy Chairman of Committees shall act in his stead for the purpose of reconvening the House.

July 25, 1969

Motion to Adjourn House

Topic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OCTOBER 22, 1969
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the said motion?

Topic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OCTOBER 22, 1969
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PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I am not prepared to support the motion. I propose to move that the motion be amended by deleting the words "October 22" where they appear in the second line and substituting therefore the words "September 22".

[DOT] (11:10 a.m.)

I rise to present this amendment, Sir, on behalf of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. The effect of the amendment is clear: We should resume parliament not on October 22 but a month earlier on September 22. In view of the accumulation of serious problems facing this country it is immature and irresponsible for the government to send parliament off on a three-month vacation. I think the people of this country will be scandalized at the casual and apparently carefree attitude adopted by the government toward the problems of the country and its responsibilities to find solutions to those problems.

I do not deny for a moment that Members of Parliament are as entitled to a holiday as anybody else, and it must be clear that a good many members of parliament are rather tired today. Furthermore, we all have important work to do in our constituencies and elsewhere. However, there is no reason in the world that parliament should shut down until October 22. The people of Canada will regard a three-month holiday as rather too much of a good thing and as representing a very blase attitude toward our responsibilities.

I want to make it very clear where the responsibility for this proposed action rests. The government, and the government alone, is insisting on a prolonged adjournment and we on this side, at least those in this party, disassociate ourselves completely from this casual irresponsibility of the government. They are like kids who want to play truant from their responsibilities.

There is no reason-

Topic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OCTOBER 22, 1969
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July 25, 1969