April 24, 1969

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS


Fifth report of Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections-Mr. Ovide Laflamme (Montmorency). [Editor's Note: The text of the foregoing report appears in today's Votes and Proceedings.]


THE MINISTRY

RESIGNATION FROM GOVERNMENT OF HON. PAUL HELLYER

LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to inform the house that I have this morning received a letter of resignation as a member of the government from the Hon. Paul Hellyer, Minister of Transport, and that I have recommended to the Deputy Governor General, the Right Hon. Mr. Justice Cartwright, that the minister's resignation be accepted.

I will table later in the day correspondence exchanged between the minister and myself relative to the resignation.

Topic:   THE MINISTRY
Subtopic:   RESIGNATION FROM GOVERNMENT OF HON. PAUL HELLYER
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MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 HOUSING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER AND FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATION-MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER STANDING ORDER 26

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I have a bit of a difficult problem which I have to bring to the attention of the house, in that earlier today the Chair received two notices provided for under Standing Order 26. One of the two motions preceded the other, and I might say had the additional qualification of having been tendered and received within the time limit set by the rules. In fairness, and in

attempting to consider this matter as Solomon might have, I think that the first motion, the one received initially by the Chair, should be put, subject to the Chair reading both motions to the house. The first motion to which I have alluded is one which was tendered by the hon. member for Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands (Mr. Douglas).

[DOT] (2:10 p.m.)

Topic:   MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 HOUSING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER AND FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATION-MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands):

Mr. Speaker, I ask leave, seconded by the hon. member for York South (Mr. Lewis), to move the adjournment of the house under Standing Order 26, for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely the resignation of the Minister of Transport (Mr. Hellyer), because of the failure of the government to agree to take action to increase the housing supply in Canada, and the consequent danger of further delay in the taking of adequate legislative and financial steps to meet the housing crisis that now faces this country.

Topic:   MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 HOUSING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER AND FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATION-MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

As I indicated a moment ago, I had received the motion which has now been read by the hon. member for Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands (Mr. Douglas) and a similar motion from the hon. Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Stanfield) moving the adjournment of the house under Standing Order 26 for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely the resignation from the government of the Hon. Paul Hellyer as Minister of Transport, because of the failure of the government to reach decisions urgently needed to meet the housing crisis in Canada.

Since both notices cover exactly the same ground I might deal with both motions at the same time. The matter raised by the hon. member for Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands and the proposed motion by the Leader of the Opposition deal of course with a most important matter, so important indeed that there is some thought in my mind that it should be considered by the house as soon as possible. As hon. members know, the house, under a special order, has set aside two days sittings for a discussion of Canada's participation in NATO.

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Resignation of Minister of Transport

I am of the opinion that it would not be desirable to alter our business for today. Whether the business for tomorrow should be altered is another matter to which I have given serious thought. In reviewing the request for adjournment of the house I have had difficulty in resolving the question of whether this matter should or might be raised in another form. It seems to me the matter of housing is in the circumstances a continuing problem but to that problem has been added another, the resignation of the Minister of the Crown who has been charged with the federal government's responsibility in the field of housing. The resignation of the minister is not necessarily in itself reason or ground for moving the adjournment of the house nor is the operation of the government's housing policy necessarily a matter of such urgent importance as to warrant a motion under Standing Order 26.

Having said that, however, when these two events are tied together it seems to the Chair there is a matter of urgency which may very well satisfy the provisions of Standing Order 26 in respect of the matter of urgency of debate. Having put aside any doubt in respect of the question of raising this matter as a matter of confidence in the government under Standing Order 58, I am inclined to allow the motion under the discretion vested in the Chair by citation (9) of Standing Order 26. I have said that I do not believe the business of the house for today should be disturbed, in view of the special order setting aside today for the consideration of government policy dealing with NATO. Any decision under Standing Order 26 would apply to tomorrow rather than today.

In view of the desirability of resolving certain procedural questions in relation to Bill C-150 I am directing that the matter be set down for consideration at two o'clock tomorrow afternoon provided the procedural matters relating to Bill C-150 have been disposed of earlier.

Topic:   MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER S.O. 26 HOUSING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER AND FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATION-MOTION TO ADJOURN UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

HOUSING

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Prime Minister a question which arises out of the valedictory of the hon. member for Trinity this morning in which he said there is

still no indication as to when a housing policy will be decided upon by the cabinet. I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether it is still the plan of the government to bring forward housing legislation based upon the task force recommendations prior to the summer recess in view of the response by the Minister of Transport in reply to a question I asked him last week, that it was still the intention of the government to bring down legislation-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION FOLLOWING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER
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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. Perhaps before the Prime Minister replies to the question I should refer to a ruling I made some time ago involving the hon. member for Nanaimo-Cowi-chan-The Islands when there had been an agreement to debate a particular subject. That hon. member at that time attempted to ask questions and I suggested that the hon. member might wait until the debate took place in the house.

I would think that position should apply generally, although I realize we are dealing with a matter of some urgency. I should not like to set down a hard and fast ruling, but I hope hon. members will exercize some discretion and remember that we have just agreed to hold a special debate tomorrow afternoon.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION FOLLOWING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, the intentions of the government have not changed. We do intend to introduce new legislation at this session within a matter of a few weeks.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HOUSING
Sub-subtopic:   INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION FOLLOWING RESIGNATION OF MINISTER
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RESIGNATION OF MINISTER-HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS WITHIN FEDERAL INITIATIVE

PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

In view of the statement made by the recent Minister of Transport, in which he said the delay in making a decision regarding housing policy is the result of a theoretical concept of federalism on the part of the Prime Minister, which does not accept housing and urban affairs as being in this area of the federal initiative, will the Prime Minister make an early statement to reassure the house and the people of Canada that this government does regard housing, pollution and other urban problems as national problems and that he is willing to accept responsibility for federal initiative in these fields, of course always respecting areas of provincial jurisdiction?

Topic:   RESIGNATION OF MINISTER-HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS WITHIN FEDERAL INITIATIVE
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, this question by way of a statement of non-policy is not very helpful. Of course this involves the constitution, and this

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is part of the difficulty in dealing with matters such as housing and pollution. To this extent I agree completely with the hon. Leader of the Opposition.

In answer to the question as to whether this is a matter of national interest my answer is, of course it is. And we believe that, but we must then ask ourselves how all matters of national interest must be dealt with under the constitution. That is exactly the policy of this government.

Topic:   RESIGNATION OF MINISTER-HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS WITHIN FEDERAL INITIATIVE
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AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS TO MUNICIPALITIES

NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether the government has rejected the proposal that the federal government make funds available to the municipalities for housing purposes?

Topic:   AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS TO MUNICIPALITIES
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April 24, 1969