January 22, 1969

PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton-East Richmond):

This is only a further indication that hon. members on the government side have holes in their heads. The hon. member for Lethbridge (Mr. Gundlock) brought to the government's attention the fact that although there are very severe winter conditions in western Canada this year they are conditions which the railways have been used to and should have been able to overcome. On other occasions far more wheat was moved with far fewer box cars available. This is an indication of mismanagement in this field.

Someone has reminded me that the railways then used steam engines. I am happy to take up this point because my constituents were very sore a few years ago when the C.N.R. converted from coal to oil. This is an indication that the railways may well begin to think of coal again. I only hope that some day we shall see a reversion to steam, which would give the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce a suitable form of locomotion to surmount the difficulties caused by cold weather and carry the grain over the mountains.

I noticed a number of contradictions between statements made by various members on the government side. Not long after the Minister of Trade and Commerce had spoken the hon. member for Assiniboia (Mr. Douglas)

took part in the debate, expressing an entirely opposite point of view with regard to the appointment of a transportation commissioner. This is what he advocated, but the minister was afraid to go along with the idea.

I take exception to certain of the remarks made by the Minister of Agriculture because I consider them to be a reflection on the decision of the Chair to allow this debate on an important national issue. The Speaker agreed to allow this debate; yet the Minister of Agriculture said it was destroying markets. In my opinion this was a reflection on the Chair.

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LIB

Horace Andrew (Bud) Olson (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Olson:

On a point of order, at no time in my speech did I make any reflection on the Speaker in any way, shape or form.

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PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breion-East Richmond):

The Speaker ruled that a debate on this important subject could be carried on to deal with a question of national importance on an emergency basis. When the minister gets up and says that opposition members are destroying Canadian markets he is reflecting on the Chair.

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An hon. Member:

Not at all.

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PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton-East Richmond):

The Prime Minister (Mr. Trudeau) was in attendance for a short time. Hon. members over there talked about weather conditions and blamed the situation at Vancouver on the weather. It was like hearing a weather report from every minister. The Prime Minister remarked at that time: "Bring on the sun". This expresses the interest and concern the Prime Minister has shown for the western farmer.

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An hon. Member:

Sounds like Smallwood.

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PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breion-East Richmond):

If you want to believe some of them, there are prominent Liberals who would have us think they can control the weather. Perhaps we shall have an opportunity of hearing where that report from British Columbia was, whether or not the figures were obtained.

When questions about this situation were put to the minister last fall the hon. gentleman summoned up his best smile, shrugged his shoulders, gave a wave of the arm and said: "We can always pray". This was the attitude of the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce.

Tonight the same minister asked the house with the same wave of the arms and the same smile-no, I must say the smile had devel-

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oped into a smirk-What is my job? What am I to do? I have one suggestion for the minister. I suggest he get out of the wheat field because he is going against the grain.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton-East Richmond):

There is every indication of mismanagement and lack of knowledge on the part of the minister in dealing with this question. As I say, a number of hon. members have shown that despite bad weather conditions larger quantities of grain were delivered in other years with fewer box cars, and this clearly indicates there is something wrong somewhere. If the Minister of Agriculture, the Minister without Portfolio or the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce wish to blame opposition members for destroying export markets or for creating a situation that is unacceptable to buyers, then he must make the same accusation against the members of his own party who have made similar representations to the government as those made by opposition members.

[DOT] (2:00 a.m.)

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An hon. Member:

I thought you were in Cape Breton.

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PC

Donald MacInnis

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton-East Richmond):

I hear a stupid and idiotic remark from a Liberal member to my right who says he thought I was in Cape Breton. I made it

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quite clear that I regarded this as a national emergency that affected the entire Canadian economy, and what is good for western Canada is good for Cape Breton. When the minister realizes that each segment of the economy affects the other segments in this country, then he can make a speech or, rather, read a speech that has been prepared by somebody else. My advice to the minister is to get out of the business because he knows nothing about it.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, it so happens that the head office of the Canadian Wheat Board is located in the constituency of Winnipeg North Centre and so is the Board of Grain Commissioners and the Grain Exchange. Therefore I should favour the house with a 20-minute speech. However, like many others who are here I have shown my concern about this issue by staying here. I hope that Your Honour is satisfied that we have had a good debate and that you are satisfied that the debate has now been concluded.

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LIB

James Hugh Faulkner (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Pursuant to section 13 of standing order 26 I am satisfied that the debate has been concluded. I therefore declare the motion carried. This house stands adjourned until two o'clock p.m. later this day, pursuant to standing order 2, section 1.

Motion agreed to and the house adjourned at 2.06 a.m.

29180-298J

Thursday, January 23, 1969

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January 22, 1969