January 14, 1969

PRIVILEGE

MR. DIEFENBAKER-REMOVAL OF COAT OF ARMS FROM PUBLICATION OF STANDING ORDERS

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prince Albert):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege in connection with the publication of the standing orders of the House of Commons in January, 1969. It will be noted that in a provisional reprint of the rules published in 1966, the coat of arms appeared on the standing orders. In 1967 a further reprint was made, again with the coat of arms thereon. The reprint that has been delivered to members of the House of Commons has had removed therefrom the coat of arms and for it has been substituted the Speaker's chair.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, I am

amazed to see the degree to which there is approval by members of the cabinet of this surreptitious act. I would ask, because this took place during your absence while visiting India, who made the decision for the removal of the coat of arms? The number of ministers who have applauded would indicate that what was done must have come about through the action of the cabinet; otherwise they would not have been applauding an act that cannot be justified outside parliament. As a member of this house I take the strongest objection to steps being taken by this government, outside parliament and parliamentary decision, to bring about a severance of our traditions. If changes are to be made they must be made by parliament and not by cabinet or by certain cabinet ministers.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

This trend has been going on for some time, and I am surprised that it apparently receives the support of the cabinet, if one is to judge by the earlier applause of cabinet ministers. I ask Your Honour to look into this matter, and once and for all put an end to the erosion of our traditions in this country by the actions of a government that

will not bring these matters before parliament but act under the table.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (Presidenl of ihe Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, very little needs to be said about this. As you will note, neither I as government house leader nor the government was responsible for the publication of the document. In any event, I can tell the right hon. gentleman and the house that the coat of arms in fact is on the picture. There is a coat of arms on the chair which is portrayed.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

Perhaps Your Honour will note that.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The right hon. member for Prince Albert has raised a question of privilege and the government house leader has made a statement. I consider it my duty to consider the matter raised by the right hon. gentleman.

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MOTION TO INCORPORATE NEW STANDING ORDERS IN JOURNALS

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, I have a number of motions consequent upon the changes made to the rules of the house. These are primarily for the purpose of accommodating the order paper to the procedural changes. I believe there is general agreement to their acceptance. As my first motion I move:

That the Standing Orders, as amended and reprinted by the House on December 20, 1968, be incorporated in the Journals of the House.

I understand from the table that this is desirable from the standpoint of the records of the house.

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Marcel Lambert (Edmonton West):

Mr. Speaker, may I raise something for the sake of clarification. There were a number of amendments made with regard to agricultural bills, and so on and so forth, and the matters were referred quite properly to the agricultural committee. With the greatest respect, as a member of the standing committee on

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Supply Committee Motion finance, trade and economic affairs, I am wondering what the thinking was in referring the fisheries improvement loans bill to the finance committee, since we thought it would have been better for the fisheries and forestry committee to deal with this matter. They have greater expertise available to them in dealing with this matter than have the members of the finance, trade and economic affairs committee. I think perhaps that point could be taken up.

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Motion agreed to. [DOT] (2:40 p.m.)


MOTION DISCHARGING ORDER FOR COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Donald S. Macdonald (President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, consequent upon the changes with respect to the business of supply I would like to move, seconded by Mr. Olson-

-that order numbered (1) appearing under the heading "Government Orders" on this day's order paper, relating to the committee of supply, be discharged.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the said motion?

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Marcel Lambert (Edmonton West):

Again, Mr. Speaker, is it the intention of the minister to supply continuing items on the order paper in the new form, or is this to be a complete discharge and the removal therefrom of the present item? Otherwise I think it will be a breach of new standing order 58(1).

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January 14, 1969