October 17, 1968

RA

Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Rondeau:

Mr. Speaker, I should like, in order to co-operate-

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. Would the hon. member allow me to examine for a moment the motion which he wants to introduce in this house?

Would the hon. member now indicate to the house and to the Chair the reasons for holding the debate now, that is, the urgency of the matter?

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RA

Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Rondeau:

Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is because the Postmaster General tells us that this rule will become effective on November 1, and I feel that this house ought to study the problem today, because this decision is contrary to the Revised Statutes of Canada 1952, Chap. 212, section 17 (3), page 12, and I quote:

A member of the Senate or House of Commons may during a recess of Parliament, send from Ottawa, free of postage, any papers printed by order of either the Senate or the House of Commons.

I feel that this new change in postal rates that the Postmaster General announced on October 10, and which will become effective on November 1, is contrary to our legislation and that he has no right to interfere with the rights already acquired by the hon. members who voted them.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I move the adjournment of the business of the house to consider this interference of the Postmaster General in a field which does not concern him.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Should other honourable

members wish to express their opinion at this stage on the urgency of debate I will hear them. Otherwise, I will give my ruling.

I must remind honourable members of the terms of subsection (2) and others of standing order 100 in the Fourth edition of Beau-chesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms. The author refers to the circumstances that should prevail in order to warrant adjournment of debate in the house under standing order 26. Subsection (2) states the following:

The "definite matter of urgent public importance" for the discussion of which the adjournment of the house may be moved under standing order 26, must be so pressing that public interest will suffer if it is not given immediate attention.

I must say to the honourable member that honestly, I wonder whether public interest would suffer from a delay in debate on this question. Some honourable members' interest may possibly suffer from it but I do not believe it would necessarily follow that public interest will also suffer.

For that reason, I do not believe the question asked by the honourable member warrants the adjournment of business slated for today.

October 17, 1968

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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS


On the orders of the day:


NDP

David Lewis (Parliamentary Leader of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Lewis (York South):

Mr. Speaker, when the conversation across the aisle is finished I have a question for the Secretary of State for External Affairs. I should like to ask whether the minister, anyone in his department, or anyone representing Canada at the United Nations has discussed with Dr. Okoi Arikpo, the Nigerian commissioner for foreign affairs, any suggestion or indication that he come to Canada shortly.

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Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I have heard from our delegate in New York that Mr. Arikpo is planning to come to Canada at the end of this month, but I have had no further confirmation.

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NDP

David Lewis (Parliamentary Leader of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

Did the report which was given to the minister contain the reason anyone invited Dr. Arikpo to come to this country? I am not suggesting that he will not receive the usual warm and courteous reception, but was there any reason suggested for the visit?

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

No. As I recall the circumstances Mr. Arikpo expressed a desire to come to Canada and, of course, we would be very happy to welcome him.

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NDP

David Lewis (Parliamentary Leader of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

May I ask the minister whether our representatives at the United Nations have discussed with anyone the possibility of having a representative of the Biafran authorities come to Canada for the same purpose for which I imagine Dr. Arikpo is coming to this country? If not, will he give consideration to this?

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

The hon. gentleman knows very well that we do not recognize the government of the republic of Biafra, and therefore it would be impossible for us to extend any such invitation.

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NDP

David Lewis (Parliamentary Leader of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lewis:

I rise now on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. The minister when he answered my original question did not say that an invitation had been extended to Dr. Arikpo. Now he is suggesting that he cannot discuss this matter with the Biafran authorities because he cannot extend an invitation to them.

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LIB

Mitchell William Sharp (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

I do not understand the purport of the question. We recognize the government

Inquiries of the Ministry of Nigeria. The commissioner for foreign affairs expressed an interest in coming to Canada and I said we would be very glad to welcome him. We do not have relations with the government of Biafra; therefore, it would be impossible to extend any such invitation.

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FINANCE

REPORTED WARNING RESPECTING COST OF JOINT PROGRAMS


On the orders of the day:


PC

Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Robert L. Stanfield (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I had a question for the Minister of Finance. I do not know whether it is his day, but he was here. I will ask the question upon his return.

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Robert Lorne Stanfield (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stanfield:

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Finance relating to the estimates. Has an arrangement been made to table any correspondence from the province of Ontario in which that province warned the federal government that its estimates as to the federal share of certain joint programs were substantially wide of the mark?

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LIB

Edgar John Benson (Minister of Finance)

Liberal

Hon. E. J. Benson (Minister of Finance):

This is a question which should be addressed to my colleague the President of the Treasury Board. I believe he has or intends to make a statement in this regard.

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October 17, 1968