October 17, 1968

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

James (Jim) Gordon Lind

Liberal

Mr. Lind:

So I think I deserve an answer in the house.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. Is there unanimous consent to allow the minister to give an explanation?

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

I returned the hon. member's telephone call, Mr. Speaker, but there was no answer at the other end.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

I spoke to my hon. friend in the lobby before we came into

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Changes in Standing Committees Personnel the house. I said "Jim, you were calling me. You have something to say?" and he said "No, I don't." So I am pleased to hear from the hon. member further even at this late date. He is anxious to be a member of the agriculture committee, and I am delighted that the house has approved his being on that committee.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

On a question of privilege-

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I have already ruled that there is no question of privilege. It may be that by unanimous agreement the house would allow the right hon. gentleman to speak.

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An hon. Member:

No. It is a private fight.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prince Albert):

This is a matter which affects every member of the house. As soon as a person is chosen to be a member of a committee an order of the house is made and no person, not even the leader of the house, has any right to remove that member's name from the list. This is a serious question of privilege affecting the rights of members of this house. They cannot be pushed around by anyone once the house has reached a decision.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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Donald Stovel Macdonald (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

I am sure Your Honour is interested in this new question of privilege raised by the right hon. member for Prince Albert. I recall that this practice has been followed in past years. House leaders and others in similar positions have at the request of opposition whips replaced opposition members on committees, and I take it the practice is still to continue.

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Thomas Miller Bell (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Thomas M. Bell (Saint John-Lancasler):

But that has always been at the request of the individual member concerned. I say this so that the minister's statement shall not go unchallenged.

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POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT

PRIVILEGES OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT-MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26

RA

Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gilbert Rondeau (Shefford):

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to standing order 26, I ask leave to propose that the house now adjourn its proceedings to discuss an urgent and pressing matter affecting all hon. members.

October 17, 1968

Post Office Department

On October 10, 1968, the Postmaster General (Mr. Kierans) who is not in the house today, forwarded to senators and to members of the House of Commons a letter concerning changes in postal rates.

My question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, concerns the fact that the Postmaster General says at the beginning of his letter, and I quote:

Changes in postal rates

I refer to the statement already made with regard to adjustments in postal rates and certain changes in the rules which will come into force on November 1, 1968, under the authority given to me by the post office act.

The following changes will be of special interest to members of the Senate and the House of Commons.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member knows that under the standing orders, he should indicate to the Chair the terms of the motion that he wishes to introduce. A while ago, he himself stated that he wished to suggest adjournment of the business of the house under standing order 26, and not as a question of privilege. In that case, he must abide by the provisions of standing order 26.

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Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Rondeau:

Mr. Speaker, as it happened, I was reading what the Postmaster General wrote to the hon. members, and I submit that he is mistaken, since the Post Office Act does not allow him to modify any of the privileges that the hon. members have voted for themselves.

In fact, it is not up to the Postmaster General to grant us privileges, or to modify or take away those which we already possess. For these reasons, Mr. Speaker, I suggest that the house adjourn its business at this time to study this matter, and in referring to the letter of the Postmaster General-

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The standing orders require the hon. member to submit to the Chair a copy of the motion, so that it may be debated at this time.

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October 17, 1968