October 9, 1968

UNVEILING OF PORTRAIT OF FORMER PRIME MINISTER

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

As hon. members know, last evening we had the pleasure of hearing some remarks made on the occasion of the unveiling of the portrait of a former prime minister of Canada. Fortunately a verbatim transcript of these proceedings is in existence, and I will take the liberty of suggesting to the house that this transcript be made an appendix to today's Hansard. Is that agreed?

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

[Editor's note: For document referred to above, see appendix A.]

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MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE

IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

I have the honour to inform the house that a message has been received from the Senate informing this house that the Senate have passed Bill S-5, an act to amend the Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation Act, to which the concurrence of this house is desired.

[DOT] (2:40 p.m.)

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QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE

MR. FORTIN-ANSWER TO QUESTION ON ORDER PAPER

RA

André-Gilles Fortin

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Andre Fortin (Loibiniere):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege.

I should like to set the record straight, and submit an extremely serious problem to the house. In addition, I base my question of privilege on a principle which strikes me as being of prime importance.

As shown on page 459 of the House of Commons Debates, I put on the order paper question No. 123 in which I ask details with regards to the Northern Canada Power Commission, which body is answerable to the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development (Mr. Chretien). In the first part

of that question, I asked whether the Northern Canada Power Commission had, within the last three years, bought or nationalized-I said "bought or nationalized" private hydroelectric concerns, and the minister replied: "None". With regard to the other part, the replay was: "N/A."

However, on page 20 of the annual report of the Northern Canada Power Commission and subsidiaries, for the fiscal year terminated March 31, 1967, we read the following:

On September 30, 1966, the Northern Canada Power Commission purchased the registered capital of the companies Yukon Telephone Syndicate Limited, Dawson City Water and Power Company Limited and Dawson Electric Light and Power Company Limited. The consolidated balance-sheet which accompanies these observations reveals that the financial situation and the operating statement of the commission and its subsidiaries-

Mr. Speaker, the matter is most serious, since it proves beyond a doubt that the government gave erroneous information to parliament. Without being an expert in parliamentary procedure, I understand that this is completely contrary to the fundamental principles which govern the business of parliament.

When the question period comes, each day, we try to put questions of general interest or urgent questions. We make an effort, on the opposition side, to obtain information which the public asks of us, and with the new procedure which allows the ministers to be absent from the house, the answers we succeed in obtaining are usually very vague. Sometimes one does not get an answer or is told: Put your question on the order paper. That suggestion is followed and inaccurate answers are given.

I therefore ask, Mr. Speaker, that steps be taken immediately by the Prime Minister (Mr. Trudeau) with regard to the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development in order that the officials and some of his ministers stop making fun of some opposition members.

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IND

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Independent

Mr. Speaker:

Since the hon. member has not followed up his question of privilege with a motion, it is obvious that no debate is possible. I must therefore rule that there is no question of privilege which can be discussed at this time.

October 9, 1969

Administration of Justice

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PROCEDURE

CONCURRENCE IN FIRST REPORT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE


Mr. D. Gordon Blair (Grenville-Carlelon) presented the first report of the special committee on procedure of the house and moved that the report be concurred in Motion agreed to. [Editor's note: Text of the foregoing report appears in today's Votes and Proceedings.]


ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

QUEBEC-PARTICIPATION IN CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM

PC

Georges-J. Valade

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Georges Valade (Sainte-Marie):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order in connection with an answer given by the Minister of Justice (Mr. Turner) on October 4, 1968, and which appears on page 795 of Hansard.

The Minister of Justice was then answering a question from the member for Calgary North (Mr. Woolliams) who had asked him whether the province of Quebec had been in touch with the Minister of Justice concerning the setting up of a royal commission to examine the spreading of crime across the nation, and I quote:

The minister has not received any request from the province of Quebec to set up a royal commission.

According to newspapers this morning, the Quebec premier, Hon. Jean-Jacques Bertrand, denied the statement of the Minister of Justice, pointing out, as can be read in today's issue of Montreal-Matin:

After having recalled that, in a letter dated November 21, 1967, addressed to Mr. Turner, he had personally suggested that the proposed national centre be given the name "Canadian Criminality Information Centre".

Mr. Speaker, my point of order is this: the hon. minister has given out information which led the people to believe that the province of Quebec was not interested in cooperating with the federal government in matters of crime, and that reply is contrary to the documents the minister has on file. I ask the right hon. Prime Minister, in view of the absence of the Minister of Justice, to kindly tell us exactly what the situation is.

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LIB

George James McIlraith (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. G. J. Mcllraiih (Solicitor General):

Since this matter is the responsibility of the Solicitor General perhaps I should deal with

it now. I have read the answer reported in Hansard at page 795. It is precisely correct. What is being overlooked by the hon. member is that the newspaper article deals with collaboration and co-operation among police forces. There is excellent working co-operation among the police forces at this time, as stated by the Minister of Justice in the passage of Hansard referred to, in which he says:

I can say from experience that the R.C.M.P. are in constant co-operation with provincial and municipal police forces in this country.

The working co-operation is excellent. It is a fact, however, that at the moment the Quebec provincial police are not members of the Canadian criminal intelligence system.

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PC

Georges-J. Valade

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Valade:

That was not my question of privilege. The Minister of Justice implied in this house that the province of Quebec had not shown interest in collaborating with the federal authorities. A spokesman for the Quebec government has stated, according to this morning's newspapers, that on November 26, 1967 a letter was addressed to the Minister of Justice on this question. That is the point I wanted to clear up.

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George James McIlraith (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

I must not let that statement go unchallenged. That is not a fact. The minister from Quebec did reply to a letter from the Solicitor General of November 6, and that reply was dated November 21, 1967. That correspondence is in the Solicitor General's office.

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QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


October 9, 1968