April 26, 1967

RA

Charles-Arthur Gauthier

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gauthier:

Mr. Speaker, I say no. As I have explained a while ago, we waited all day long to have the minister think the case over and reconsider his decision. I repeat: as long as he will not reconsider his own decision, I shall not reconsider mine. I am as stubborn as he is.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I wish I could allow the hon. member to deliver a third speech on this point, if his conclusion were to give his agreement on third reading, but as he does not intend to do so, I shall not allow him to continue his argumentation.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

George James McIlraith (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

Mr. Speaker, I move that this house adjourn until April 27 at 3 am.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, there is a rule in the standing orders, I do not remember which one, saying that there are specific hours, I think it is at the beginning, rule No. 2, concerning the sittings of the house.

(1) The House shall meet on Mondays, Tuesdays. Wednesdays and Thursdays at 2:30 o'clock pun.-

Tomorrow is Thursday, April 27. Therefore, under the standing orders, rule No. 2, paragraph (1), the house meets at 2:30 o'clock p.m. Should someone want to move a motion to change that, it would require a 48-hour notice. I would if the minister gave a 48-hour notice.

As for me, personally, Mr. Chairman-

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

Ways and Means

April 26, 1967

I suggest that the government house leader try another motion.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, if I may-

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I do not recognize the hon. member, because the motion has been ruled out of order.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I should like to say that the motion may be ruled in order with the unanimous consent of the house. Personally, I am ready to accept the motion, but I think the hon. member for Roberval (Mr. Gauthier) has sound objections.

Then, I say that the minister should ask the unanimous consent according to standing orders.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

Has the minister unanimous consent of the house to move the motion?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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NDP

William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I hear a dissenting voice. Therefore there is no unanimous consent to proceed with the motion proposed by the Minister of Public Works.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

If you allow me two minutes, Mr. Speaker, I may find a solution to suggest to the minister.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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Malcolm MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton South):

May I

make an observation which was made some time ago, Mr. Speaker. It is the interpretation that really matters.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Speaker, in view of the fairness and impartiality with which you have tried to rule and tell the house what are the rules, it seems to me that unless there is unanimous consent we should not now try to get around your ruling in some devious way. Again I make the suggestion I made earlier, that it was generally accepted that we would take Thursday off, and that more than 20 of us could be here on Friday morning to give third reading ar.d get the bill to the Senate.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

George James McIlraith (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

It is quite impossible to meet in this way on Friday morning, Mr. [Mr. Speaker.)

Speaker. We made an arrangement in good faith and with a firm commitment by the Ralliement Creditiste given in very clear language, as a result of which the house made an order. That order may have been badly drafted, but it was an honest attempt by the house to interpret the arrangement. The house having acted on that commitment, reinforced by an order of the house, I am not prepared to accept any such proposal such as the one now put forward by the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre.

I believe that a parliament of free citizens elected by their constituents in a free country works on the assumption that when men come here they will act reasonably and honour the commitments made to each other in this house in good faith.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

George James McIlraith (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

When the house acts upon such commitments it has the right to expect that they will be carried through.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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LIB

George James McIlraith (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   APPROPRIATION ACT NO. 4, 1967
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April 26, 1967