April 3, 1967

AMENDMENT INCREASING NUMBER OF GENERAL HOLIDAYS

NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre) moved

for leave to introduce Bill No. C-285, to amend the Canada Labour (Standards) Code (provision for ninth general holiday with pay).

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Some hon. Members:

Explain.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this bill is to amend the Canada Labour (Standards) Code with respect to the general holidays provided in that code. At the present time there are eight general holidays with pay each year. This bill would add a ninth, namely the first Monday in the month of August.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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NATIONAL DEFENCE


On the orders of the day:


PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. S. Harkness (Calgary North):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of National Defence. Did the minister give clearance, and thus approval, to the speech made by the chief of the defence staff to the International Relations Club at Breboeuf College, in which improper motives were imputed to members of this house and particularly to privy councillors?

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LIB

Paul Theodore Hellyer (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. Paul Hellyer (Minister of National Defence):

Mr. Speaker, I did not know of the speech but I have complete confidence in the chief of the defence staff and he is at complete liberty to express himself publicly as he sees fit.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Then, Mr. Speaker, on a question of privilege it seems to me that this is a matter in which the minister, in fact the Prime Minister and the government generally, must take some action. A report has been made as follows:

General Jean Allard, commander In chief of the Canadian armed forces, says opposition to unification mostly is a result of political ambition.

Members of the opposition in the House of Commons hope to strengthen their chances of being re-elected by opposing Defence Minister Hellyer's plan, he told a meeting of the International Relations Club at Breboeuf College.

"I would like to ask former cabinet ministers why they are clinging to the name of the navy, army and air force ..."

April 3, 1967

I think, Mr. Speaker, this is an unprecedented event so far as Canadian history is concerned, that a member of the defence forces of this country, and particularly the chief of the defence staff, would impute to members of this house and members of the defence committee improper motives in regard to the stands and positions they have taken with respect to a measure which is now before the house.

I think there is absolutely no excuse for conduct of this kind. It has never been permitted for members of the defence forces or members of the civil service in this or any other country which has the British parliamentary system of government, and I think it is incumbent not only on the Minister of National Defence but on the Prime Minister to take disciplinary action in this case in order to ensure that there be no repetition of instances of this kind.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Paul Marlin (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman has raised this matter as a question of privilege. I do not rise to comment on the substance; I have not seen the statement. I do wish, however, to point out to Your Honour rule 41-A which deals with questions of privilege. It is not open to the hon. gentleman to raise the question in the absence of the notice provided for in this new rule which governs our procedure.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I have no doubt that hon. members will accept the correctness of the procedural point raised by the Acting Prime Minister. I felt it was my duty to hear the statement to be made by the hon. member for Calgary North, but the rule is clear that an hour's notice is to be given on a question of privilege. This is a rule which has been adopted by parliament and which parliament would expect to be followed.

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Malcolm MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis (Cape Breton South):

It arose out of the minister's answer.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The suggestion is made that the question of privilege arises out of the minister's answer. I would not agree with that suggestion. If the hon. member for Calgary North felt he had a valid question of privilege he should have raised it according to the rules. I suggest to him that it would have been very easy to give the prescribed notice, as all hon. members invariably do when a question of privilege is raised in the house.

Inquiries of the Ministry

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Speaker, I did think my question of privilege arose out of the minister's reply, which was so contrary to what has been the practice in the past in this house. I thought I had a valid question of privilege which arose at that time, but naturally I defer to your judgment on the matter.

I should like to ask the Acting Prime Minister a supplementary question. As Acting Prime Minister will he take action to ensure that instances of this kind do not recur and that disciplinary action is taken in this case?

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated I have not seen the statement. I will be glad to look at it. I will do so in the light of what my honourable and respected friend has suggested.

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Michael Starr (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Michael Starr (Ontario):

Mr. Speaker, I have a related question. In view of the statement by the Minister of National Defence over last week end, I should like to ask whether he was enunciating official government policy when he told the Young Liberals Association that the press of Canada was guilty of irresponsible reporting and had done a great disservice to Canada in the manner in which the news was reported.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, I do not know that it is open to an hon. member to ask anyone in the house whether he agrees with the views of a colleague or another member of this house. However, since my hon. friend has put that question I should like to say in answer to my hon. friend that the Minister of National Defence has the right to state his views, just as my hon. friend has that right. I recall one occasion, when my hon. friend was questioning a matter which I raised about his particular administration, when he made an observation which I do not think reflected too kindly on the press of this country.

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April 3, 1967