February 7, 1967

IND

Maurice Allard

Independent Progressive Conservative

Mr. Allard:

Channel 7 in Sherbrooke.

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LIB

Auguste Choquette

Liberal

Mr. Choquette:

And channel 7 in Sherbrooke-I thank the hon. member for having mentioned it-has a higher rating than C.B.C. Now as the private stations have no political programs, politicians are unable to reach the general public.

And forcing private stations to have free broadcasts, that is almost impossible, and as Mr. Pouliot said in reply to a question of mine: We have expenditures to meet and we cannot afford to offer that free of charge, to put free broadcasting time at the disposal of politicians. The C.B.C. does it.

Mr. Speaker, what I would suggest is that the state should subsidize the private stations to allow them to broadcast political information on the same basis as the political broadcasts made by the C.B.C., that is to say private stations should also have political broadcasts subsidized by the state. One might say: Where will the money come from? We could start by saving money at the C.B.C. The time has come to appoint the president of the C.B.C. and I hope that the man chosen will be a real administrator. When it is realized that programs such as the one dealing with the Munsinger affair cost millions of dollars, that the one on the von Thadden affair cost thousands of dollars and that Rene Levesque was sent to interview a premier in Paris when the C.B.C. already had a correspondent there. The C.B.C. is overdoing it and if it had a competent administrator we could save enough money to subsidize the private stations which could allow politicians free broadcasting time. It is almost unbelievable that politicians cannot use private stations to broadcast their message as they have every right to do. Those are the grievances I wanted to call to the attention of the hon. member for Bonaventure to whom I wish much success in his efforts with the mayor of Gaspe to get the Grande Hermine back to Gaspe.

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LIB

Albert Béchard (Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Albert Bechard (Parliamentary Secretary to Secretary of State):

Mr. Speaker, I would first like to offer my sincere thanks to my friend, the hon. member for Lotbiniere (Mr. Choquette) for supporting, along with many other hon. members, the repatriation of the Grande Hermine to Gaspe.

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Mr. Speaker, anyone who knows how cool and quiet the hon. member for Lotbiniere is when appearing in political television programs or elsewhere, will not be surprised at the protest he voices against this anomaly contained in the Broadcasting Act, with respect to political programs.

Since it is my duty to defend the act, I must say at this point that, in my opinion, the tragedy of political broadcasts has not been criticized very much by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation or the public, when one thinks of the supersaturation of programs across Canada, particularly in the province of Quebec and in some other areas. I am referring to certain hon. members very well known to everyone here; I should like to mention the hon. member for Villeneuve (Mr. Caouette) for instance, simply in order to point out that I feel the act leaves quite a lot of freedom in this regard.

However, I agree with the hon. member for Lotbiniere when he says that private stations should receive certain grants in order that political parties may make their policies known through more widespread broadcasting facilities.

I will convey with pleasure to the Secretary of State (Miss LaMarsh) the remarks the hon. member for Lotbiniere made tonight and which I feel, are most appropriate.

As the hon. member for Lotbiniere knows, an amendment to the Broadcasting Act will soon be introduced, if not by the end of this session, at least at the beginning of the next one. I trust this amendment will be satisfactory not only to all the members but also to all who, throughout the country, stand for justice and freedom for all citizens.

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Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS-VIET NAM-REQUEST BAN ON ARMS SHIPMENTS TO U.S.
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PC

Gordon Harvey Aiken

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. H. Aiken (Parry Sound-Muskoka):

Mr. Speaker, this afternoon I asked the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development a question regarding a press release issued by his department under the name of a private member. Very often that type of question is taken as an accusation, and I am sure that some of the minister's colleagues assumed that because I asked the question I was implying, first that the minister was wrong, and second, that I would not have done it myself in his position. I did not

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion intend to leave that impression. We sometimes say in legal terminology that to crossexamine does not mean to examine crossly.

Quite the contrary, at times I am sympathetic toward the idea that recognition should be made of the services of private members in announcements of this kind. As an example let me refer to the proposal put forward by the Secretary of State regarding the presentation of centennial honours by private members in their constituencies.

At this time I should like to know whether there has been a change in policy, a new policy adopted, or is this a specific and isolated case. This is only one announcement I selected from a number I receive in my mail every morning. This is the first I have seen of this particular type and I wonder whether some change in policy has been made.

So far as the reference today by the Prime Minister to the policy of the then Mr. Walker, now Senator Walker, a former minister of public works, let me say that he followed a similar course. He did at times give recognition to private members in this way. Even then I was not sure what the exact policy was.

If this is a new policy I should like to know how far it extends and under what conditions the names of private members will be associated with announcements in respect of public projects. I feel this does involve a matter of policy, rather than the isolated recognition of a particular private member for some reason. I would appreciate some advice from the minister regarding this matter, and I should like to know whether this policy will apply only to members on the government side or to other private members as well.

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Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS-VIET NAM-REQUEST BAN ON ARMS SHIPMENTS TO U.S.
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

After all, there are more of us on this side.

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LIB

Arthur Laing (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development)

Liberal

Hon. Arthur Laing (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):

I should like to thank the hon. member for his remarks and particularly for abandoning the acerbity with which he asked the question this afternoon. Apparently he has had second thoughts. Let me assure him there is no policy in this regard. The hon. member for St. John's East (Mr. O'Keefe) worked so hard on the Signal Hill project I thought it only fair that his name be associated with the announcement in respect of the contract.

The hon. member has suggested that this is the first time the government has embarked on such a policy. I had occasion to check

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Proceedings on Adjournment Motion through only the past press releases of my department, and found many similar cases in days prior to 1963. The first such press release referred to C. J. Oliver Limited of Calgary which was awarded a contract amounting to $107,400 to build a new administration building in Kootenay National Park. This was announced by Arthur Smith who was then the member for Calgary West.

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Another one is dated January 4, 1962. It reads:

The administration headquarters of Kootenay National Park is to be moved away from the Sinclair Creek area of Radium Hot Springs according to M. L. McFarlane, M.P., for Kootenay.

Another one reads:

A contract valued at $437,585 for the supply of 169 buildings, to be erected in communities in the Northwest Territories and arctic Quebec, has been awarded to Dalite Corporation (Canada) Limited, Toronto, it was announced by Miss Margaret Aitken, M.P. for York-Humber, on behalf of Northern Affairs Minister Walter Dinsdale.

In another one Mr. Arthur Smith, M.P. for Calgary South announced a building contract of $33,210 had been awarded to Engineered Buildings Calgary Limited, of Calgary for the supply of an office building. Jasper Sedan Chairlifts Limited has been awarded the concession to operate a 3,000-foot-long gondola lift as announced by Dr. H. M. Homer, M.P.

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for Jasper-Edson. And then Mr. Eldon M. Woolliams, M.P. for Bow River, announced on behalf of resources minister Walter Dinsdale that a $308,826 contract has been awarded.

I have a whole sheaf here and I will make sure that the hon. member gets a copy of them so that he can refresh his memory. It would appear now that he does not wish me to embark upon this program-

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Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS-VIET NAM-REQUEST BAN ON ARMS SHIPMENTS TO U.S.
Sub-subtopic:   NORTHERN AFFAIRS-DEPARTMENT PRESS RELEASE ISSUED BY MEMBER FOR ST. JOHN'S EAST
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PC

Gordon Harvey Aiken

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Aiken:

I would like the minister to answer my question.

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LIB

Arthur Laing (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development)

Liberal

Mr. Laing:

-because he is afraid that I would permit one good habit to corrupt the world. I have been as fair to hon. members on the other side of the house as any minister. On the occasion of the opening of the Pine Point railway I asked the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) and the hon. mem ber for Athabasca (Mr. Bigg) to accompany me. Some time ago we announced the opening of a penitentiary. At that time we may well have associated the name of the hon. member for Bow River (Mr. Woolliams). We will consider each of these on their own merits and we may be making announcements through the member in certain instances. This will not be a definite policy, but we will take them as they come.

Motion agreed to and the house adjourned at 10.25 p.m.

Wednesday, February 8, 1967

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Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS-VIET NAM-REQUEST BAN ON ARMS SHIPMENTS TO U.S.
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February 7, 1967