February 6, 1967

LIB

Herman Maxwell Batten (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order. The hon. member for Cochrane on a point of order.

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LIB

Joseph-Alphonse-Anaclet Habel

Liberal

Mr. Habel:

Mr. Speaker, I cannot say otherwise than that it is amazing to see members on the opposition side doing what they are doing now, when only a few moments ago one of their members was blaming the Liberals for not speaking in this house.

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PC

Terence James (Terry) Nugent

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nugent:

We are objecting to his reading from notes.

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LIB

James Allen (Jim) Byrne (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Byrne:

In this statement, Mr. Speaker, we find net sales of $110,988,000, and other income of $182,000, for a total of $111 million odd. Expenditures are $92 million, estimated income tax $207,000, for a net savings available for distribution to members of $5,063,000.

I wonder whether anyone can find in this statement anything that faintly resembles a disbursement to a charitable institution unless, of course, 50 per cent of the western farmers on the western prairies are in need of welfare. Incidentally, none of these dividends have apparently been distributed to the western prairie farmers and others.

You will note from the statement, Mr. Speaker, that in any portion of the operations in which a deficit is incurred, the shortfall is described in such bourgeois terms as a loss. Where there is an excess-

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

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LIB

Herman Maxwell Batten (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order. The hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam on a point of order.

February 6< 1967

The Budget-Mr. Byrne

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Mr. Speaker, I do not want to interrupt the hon. gentleman-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

-in this savage attack he is making on the co-operatives-

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PC

Wallace Bickford (Wally) Nesbitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nesbili:

And credit unions.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Yes, and credit unions-but he should not be allowed to malign the cooperatives and misrepresent the situation. He just made a statement which certainly impugns the integrity of Federated Co-operatives. The hon. member said they distributed nothing to the farmers. He should know that Federated Co-operatives is owned by the individual co-operative associations, not by individual farmers.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

That is not a point of order. Sit down.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Mr. Speaker, I do not need any orders from any pipsqueak over on that side of the house.

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale):

Make your own speech; don't interrupt others.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

I rose, Mr. Speaker,-

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LIB

Albert Béchard (Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bechard:

Obey the rules.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

I rose, Mr. Speaker, in protest against this attempt-

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LIB

Herman Maxwell Batten (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order. It is a little difficult for the Chair to decide whether or not the hon. gentleman has a point of order until it has been heard. I would ask hon. members to give me the opportunity of hearing the hon. member's point of order. The hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Mr. Speaker, I was merely endeavouring to point out, before I was interrupted, that if the hon. member wants to discuss the co-operative movement he should discuss the situation with accuracy, instead of maligning the co-operatives and leaving the impression that they are not distributing dividends to farmers. He knows the farmers are not members; it is the co-operative associations which are the members.

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LIB

James Allen (Jim) Byrne (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Byrne:

Mr. Speaker-

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February 6, 1967