January 31, 1967

COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE


Second report of special joint committee on immigration- Mr. Klein.



Second report of special joint committee on penitentiaries-Mr. Watson.


ANNOUNCEMENT OF FINAL PAYMENTS ON WHEAT, OATS AND BARLEY

LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Hon. Robert Winters (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, the mailing of the wheat payment cheques will be completed tomorrow. The distribution of the cheques for the final payments for oats and barley will commence on February 2 and will be completed within the next two weeks.

In 1865-66 producers delivered 49,626,630 bushels of oats and 88,920,104 bushels of barley. The amounts of the final payments to be distributed are $12,313,571 for oats, and a record $29,230,543 for barley. As I informed the house on January 13, the amount of the final payment on wheat was $270,028,575. Thus the total of the final payment on wheat, oats and barley is $311,572,689, which is the largest final payment on grains in the history of the Canadian Wheat Board.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

These sums are not a final

payment by the government of Canada but represent the net returns of the Canadian Wheat Board in the marketing of western Canadian wheat, oats and barley for the 1965-66 crop year. The average final payment for oats is a record 24.8 cents a bushel, and the average final barley payment of 32.8 cents a bushel has been exceeded only once.

I beg leave, Mr. Speaker, to table the statement being issued today in Winnipeg by the Canadian Wheat Board regarding the final payments on oats and barley.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Has the minister leave to table the document to which he has referred?

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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PC

Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. E. Nasserden (Rosihern):

Mr. Speaker, the farmers in western Canada will, of course, be pleased with this announcement of the final payments on the oats and barley pools. As the minister has indicated, this is a payment of money due to them on the sale of their grain. I was interested in the minister's statement that these, with minor exceptions, are the highest payments on record. Western farmers are presently facing the highest costs in their entire history, and this is one of the facts that must be borne in mind when examining these figures.

If my memory serves me correctly there is no appreciable increase in the volume of barley as compared with previous years, and the improvement in the payment on oats is a reflection of the policy begun eight, nine or almost ten years ago, when the oats pool was in a deficit position. Over the years it has gradually been brought to its present situation.

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Of course this also brings to mind the other problems which face those who are engaged in agriculture generally and particularly those in the dairy industry. They have a peculiar problem. All in all I would say that the people in western Canada will be pleased with the final payment, but still it does not reflect the improvement which we should like to see in the position of those who are producing grain in western Canada, when one considers the high cost of production which prevails at the present time.

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NDP

Edward Richard Schreyer

New Democratic Party

Mr. Ed. Schreyer (Springfield):

Mr. Speaker, the minister's announcement to the house and the country will be welcome news to the grain producers of western Canada particularly those who have middle sized and smaller farming operations, because to these people the production of oats and barley is relatively a more important factor in their operations. I should like to say also that the fact that the final payments on oats and barley are at either record or near record rates on a per bushel basis seems to be a pretty definite indication that perhaps it is time to think in terms of increasing the amount of the initial payment.

One could make the very logical argument, since the farmers must wait a certain number

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Consumer Credit and Cost of Living of months to receive the money that is coming to them in any case, that it really is not fair, that they be required to carry the interest charges on the money they must borrow in order to carry on their operations with their fixed costs and so on.

In view of the fact that the final payments are at a record level on a per unit basis I would urge the minister to give serious thought to increasing the initial payment to a significant extent.

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SC

Horace Andrew (Bud) Olson

Social Credit

Mr. H. A. Olson (Medicine Hal):

Mr. Speaker, I join with other hon. members who have spoken in welcoming this announcement. At the moment, according to Canadian Wheat Board selling prices even since the end of the selling year 1965-66, there are indications which would lead us to believe that the final payments for 1966-67 will be even higher than the payments indicated in this report. The minister has pointed out this is the largest payment ever made. I think it is the largest final payment ever made on wheat. It is almost certain that a year from now we will have another report which will indicate that the total price for this year's crop will be higher than in respect of last year's crop.

This indeed is welcome news, although we do recognize the point brought up by the hon. member for Rosthern that the costs involved in producing this grain have increased at least as rapidly as the price itself. One other point I am very gratified to see in this statement is that the minister included the fact that this is not a final payment by the government of Canada. This $311 million does not constitute a charge on the public treasury. No part of it constitutes a charge on the federal treasury. I believe this is one of the first occasions on which this kind of emphasis has been placed on this fact. I should like to commend the minister for doing this, and I recommend that he include it in all statements which are made in respect of these final payments on wheat, oats and barley.

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CONSUMER CREDIT AND COST OF LIVING

CONCURRENCE IN THIRD REPORT OF SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE

LIB

Stanley Ronald Basford

Liberal

Mr. Ron Basford (Vancouver-Burrard) moved:

That the third report of the special joint committee of the Senate and the House of Commons on consumer credit and cost of living, presented to the house on Tuesday, December 20, 1966, be concurred in.

DEBATES January 31, 1967

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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gilles Gregoire (Lapoinie):

Mr. Speaker, I only wish to comment briefly on this motion. The special joint committee of the Senate and House of Commons on consumer credit and cost of living is submitting to us today a quite detailed report and is asking us to concur therein. But something happened within that committee that should not go unnoticed, and since there is no mention of it in the report, I feel the house should look into the matter.

When the Consumers' Association appeared before the committee, its president, I believe, brought a rather serious accusation against the government with regard to its inaction, stating that if-

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wonder whether the hon. member for Lapointe realizes that the motion before the house relates to the third report and not to the fourth report of this committee. The details to which he is referring are contained not in the third report but in the fourh report.

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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, this concerns the report presented on December 20, which contains a large number of recommendations.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

The hon. member is still speaking about the fourth report, even though the third and fourth reports were both presented on December 20.

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IND

Gilles Grégoire

Independent

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, I want to take advantage of this opportunity and I think I have the right to do so. Whether the third or fourth report is involved, we are refused, possibly under-

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January 31, 1967