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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

The one we have in northern New Brunswick which covers about 125,000 people will cost in the neighbourhood of $30 million. What the share of the federal government and the provincial government will be is being discussed now. However, this gives one an example of the magnitude of the programs.

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George Robson Muir

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Muir (Lisgar):

Can the minister tell us if he envisages any co-operation between ARDA under his department, and ARDA under the Department of Industry, always taking into consideration the part the province would have in the two programs?

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

This is already happening. We have an advisory board. Actually, there have been some projects carried out under ARDA but financed by ARDA.

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PC

Richard Elmer Forbes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Forbes:

I should like to direct one question to the minister. We have three designated areas in Manitoba. Would these

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same areas be eligible lor assistance under the ARDA program?

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

Were they designated under the ADA program or the ARDA program? I believe there is only one designated area under the ARDA program so far, and that is the Interlake region.

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Clause agreed to. Clause 6 agreed to. On clause 7-Establishment of advisory board.


PC

Walter Gilbert Dinsdale

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dinsdale:

I have a brief question on clause 7 with respect to the advisory board. The hon. member for Qu'Appelle raised this point during his excellent presentation at the second reading stage. Can the minister inform the house if there is any liaison between the advisory board and the resource ministers council through its permanent secretariat? I think it is most important, if we are going to have co-ordination of any comprehensive plans for resource development, that we not only have intergovernmental co-operation, that is co-operation between governments, but also intragovernmental co-operation. There are so many various departments at the federal level in the field of resource development, and the function of the resource ministers council was to achieve some overall co-ordination. Is there consultation?

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

As the hon. member knows, the secretariat has no administrative authority. What happens is that the secretariat is informed of the projects and programs that are carried out under ARDA. The ARDA program is reviewed annually by the committee of ministers. We submit to them everything we do. They have an annual report on what we are doing, and it is always on the agenda of the resource ministers conference. In this way some co-ordination can be maintained.

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NDP

Edward Richard Schreyer

New Democratic Party

Mr. Schreyer:

I believe that under clause 7 the minister was going to make some response to my question as to whether or not it was the practice that the people actually affected in these designated areas be given representation on these boards. If I might just clarify, Mr. Chairman, it is my understanding that in the special rural development areas there is an area development board to be established. I understand that the area development board will be comprised primarily of individuals from the government. I ask the minister if it will be a requirement or a

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practice under this legislation to have residents of the area itself as representatives on these boards?

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

Mr. Chairman, in answer to that question I will refer to paragraph 33 of the federal-provincial rural development agreement, part VI. I quote:

A comprehensive rural development program Involves the following:

2. The involvement of local people through the establishment of rural development committees or similar bodies.

It is a condition that in the implementation of this Bill No. C-151, there should be committees at the local level.

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LIB

John B. Stewart (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. Stewart:

Before the clause carries, I should like to ask the minister if the Atlantic Development Board will be represented on the advisory board?

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve:

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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Clause agreed to. Clauses 8 to 10 inclusive agreed to. Clause 1 agreed to. Title agreed to. Bill reported.


LIB

Maurice Rinfret (Deputy Whip of the Liberal Party; Chief Government Whip's assistant; Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Rinfret):

When shall the bill be read a third time, now?

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PC

Michael Starr (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Starr:

By leave, now.

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LIB

Maurice Sauvé (Minister of Forestry)

Liberal

Mr. Sauve moved

the third reading of the bill.

Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.

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MOTIONS FOR PAPERS

NORRIS COMMISSION

LIB

Herman Maxwell Batten (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

It being eight o'clock, it is my duty pursuant to section 3 of standing order 6 to suspend the proceedings now under way so that the house may revert to private members business for the taking of the vote which was postponed earlier this evening.

The question is as follows:

That an order of the house do issue for copies of all the working papers prepared for the Norris commission by the chartered accountants hired by the commission and deposited by Mr. Justice Norris with the Department of Labour.

[DOT] (8:00 p.m.)

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I believe that this is the first time this rule may have been called into play. May I

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Northwest Territories Act indicate that although we in this group during the supper hour asked for a recorded vote, we are willing that no such recorded vote be now taken. We should simply like to protect our position which we think obtains under the rules, that under that circumstance a vote could now be taken, if we so desired, even though five members were not here at the present moment. We do have more than five members here, but we are willing, if the house gives unanimous consent, simply to resolve this issue on a voice vote and not have the members called in by the bell.

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May 12, 1966